To hate the laughing at "lower class" people on here?

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I know it gets disguised as laughing at certain children's names, phrases, etc, but there is a lot of threads on MN that is really about laughing at poorer people. Hate it.

Blowing out someone elses candle doesn't make yours glow any brighter. I try to live by this and encourage my DSs to also.

Power relations play a role, though, right - the dominant person isn't in the same position as the underdog? A middle class person mocking the poor isn't the same thing as a poor person mocking the middle classes, any more than women mocking men is the same thing as men mocking women, or a white person mocking black people, versus the reverse situation. It makes a difference where you stand in power relations.

This is spot on. It's very easy to sneer at someone when you're doing it from a place of privilege.
As someone working under class whose done good as it were I'm guilty of occasionally taking the piss out of those I see as posh or middle class. I know enough about myself though to know that it largely comes from a defensive place because believe me 3 years of being looked down on by my so called peers at university puts me in defensive mode around certain people.

Oh come on. As if there isn't a sneering at middle class/wealthy people too.

I've seen both sides.

People with privilege and power mocking those without is always going to be more damaging than the reverse.

yeah, they laugh at working class names and black names. I see it too.

Dislike of names can just be a dislike of a name - it’s not the poster’s issue if the reader has strict ideas of class and naming habits and extrapolates

The antipathy to ‘hun’ is long-established MN shibboleth, now defended to keep what shreds of MN community that still remain

'Blowing out someone elses candle doesn't make yours glow any brighter.'

Exactly, some can't help themselves though

Punching up is diffrent to punching down.

Sure, but inverted snobbery is still snobbery.

Yeah the names threads are really nasty. Apparently Shane or Jayden are the worst names eveh, but Mabel or Egbert are just lovely...hmmm
I dont mind the grammar police particularly. I'm poor as fuck compared to a lot of posters on here, but good grammar is freeeee and if I get corrected I don't really care.
As for chavs, there are people looking at you next door but one who I would definitly consider chavs. I don't have a problem saying that. Trouble is the a lot of vairy middle class people on here, who get all up in arms about the word "chav" secretly think that "chav" just means working class (i.e they are one and the same).
It doesn't.

There are many many twats on here from all ‘classes’. They are all as bad as each other. No one has a moral right to sneer at anyone else, however much they might think so.

I mean, it sort of does in the sense that that's the whole premise of capitalism.

I thought about this yesterday when I was watching This Morning.
Two boys I briefly taught were on there talking about how they had managed to stop someone committing suicide. They had names MN hates. However the goodness just shone out of them. I'd prefer to chat to them than some of the snobbish arses on here.

Manner are manners, mc shouldn't mock the wc, wc shouldn't mock the mc.

It's quite patronising to say (paraphrasing here) that essentially it's ok for wc to mock the mc. Although it apparently supports the underdog, it's almost making allowances for wc as though they are not capable of the same level of consideration as mc, so don't have to bother.

It's perfectly easy in the baby names threads to either ignore or post in the spirit of the site. You may not like a particular type of name but it's still possible to give a preference from a given list or suggest similar names that the OP might like etc. and it's okay to say "actually none of those are to my taste have you considered X?" without being abusive or dismissive.

TBF 'Chelci' really is quite an unusual name!

I do agree however that it is really quite mean and self satisfied to laugh at people who choose these names for their children (and before anyone says 'noooooo, we're only laughing at the name not the parents'- No, you're not).

I think that, ironically, there is something extremely gauche about poking fun at people who are basically only a rung or two down the socio-economic ladder from you. People who are secure in themselves and their position in life and society don't usually feel the need to be so gleefully unkind.

I find the judgy ones the worst.

Someone posts about a specific and presumably sincere problem, already having a bad day, then someone picks up on a tiny irrelevant detail and says.... "well yabu to have given your child a dummy in the first place/ it was your fault for having a baby with someone who turned out to be abusive/ well breast is best you didn't try hard enough/some people can't even have children so why are you moaning/he left a towel on the bed, Ltb..... etc etc. Does my head in!!!!

I think the snobbery is generally ingrained in society, but the anonymity of MN makes it easier to let rip for many.

Even on MN it is sometimes quite stealthy though. The shoes on/off threads are a great example. People call shoes off "Hyacinth Bucket" or "house proud" and talk about their wellies and muddy dogs on ancient carpets as a roundabout way of saying "shoes off is a lower middle class habit". They know they'd be pulled up on it if they did.

Oh and the single Mother judges get right up my nose

It's the inherent racism of much of this that gets me. Someone posts about their kid called Justice or Humility and everyone goes nuts pulling them down, knowing full bloody well (I should think) that they're names that are common in the African diaspora community.

Then the snobby posters suggest something like "Justin" or "Honor" and all I can think is what they're really saying is "let's make these a bit more white middle class for you dear"

Facebook tat selling threads, however, aren't an issue of class, as far as I can see. Some of the stuff for sale isn't cheap, it's just expensive tat.

Blowing out someone elses candle doesn't make yours glow any brighter. I'll remember that.

I think sneering at people because of the names they have chosen for their children, or because the say "tea" instead of "dinner" or because they dare to be foreign is grim. Although its quite often less about being "lower class" and more about being from a different part of the UK, or being foreign/non-white/different.

I do think it is totally fine to discuss / question things like cake smashing, or Boden worship though.

Queen Yes lots of racism.

With the facebook selling tat threads, I always just wonder if I could be making money by selling something not very good but home made for a lot of money.

Glad the candle thing is going down well. I don't normally like "twee" phrases but that one really got to me. It was good to use to explain to my son who was being bullied that it wasn't about him, it was about other people trying to make themselves feel better. Didn't stop me wanting to run over them in my car though....

lower class

Are they the class under the working class?

Oh FFS, tone police out again.

I'm poor. I grew up in severe poverty. And if I want to take the piss out of people who give their kids made up mis-spelled names and sell tat on FB then I can and will.
Because those things are NOT about being poor and its fucking insulting of you to suggest that it is. Poor does not equal stupid.