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To not understand the sanctification of Hugh Hefner?

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Yamayo · 28/09/2017 10:21

So dirty old man dies.
This morning I woke up to dozens of tributes. Why??

He wasn't a visionary or a feminist. He played a huge part in creating the whole culture of casual sexism and misogyny of the world we live in.
And when you read accounts of life in his manor as described by his 'bunnies' it is quite frankly sickening.

Why his death treated with such respect?

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papayasareyum · 28/09/2017 15:27

my very first thought when I heard about his death that it was going to open a floodgate of stuff..

Shadow666 · 28/09/2017 15:28

I have to admit my first thought on hearing the news was "good".

ArcheryAnnie · 28/09/2017 15:34

Which is why I wish people would stop saying he was an LGBT ally, Margot, because it's not true! A GT ally, arguably - but people are claiming he did something good (allyship with L & B) that he didn't actually do.

BeyondNoone · 28/09/2017 15:55

Yy Annie. In fact I’d argue that he is the exact opposite of a L/B ally as he has contributed a lot towards the fetishisation of wlw.

thewooster · 28/09/2017 20:26

Good riddance to him.

piglover · 28/09/2017 20:55

Kate Millett and Hugh Hefner in the same month. I am imagining an interesting afterlife conversation between them...

lottieandmia · 29/09/2017 19:22

He was quite clearly a pimp. Disgusting man who had no respect for women.

Gingernaut · 01/10/2017 09:02

This ran across my FaceBook feed this morning.

Speaking Ill of Hugh Hefner

Ross Douthat of The New York Times

Hugh Hefner, gone to his reward at
the age of 91, was a pornographer and chauvinist who got rich on masturbation, consumerism and the exploitation of women, aged into a leering grotesque in a captain’s hat, and died a pack rat in a decaying manse where porn blared during his pathetic orgies.

Hef was the grinning pimp of the sexual revolution, with quaaludes for the ladies and Viagra for himself — a father of smut addictions and eating disorders, abortions and divorce and syphilis, a pretentious huckster who published Updike stories no one read while doing fleshprocurementfor celebrities, a revolutionary whose revolution chiefly benefited men much like himself.

The arc of his life vindicated his moral critics, conservative and feminist: What began with talk of jazz and Picasso and other signifiers of good taste ended in a sleazy decrepitude that would have been pitiable if it wasn’t still so exploitative.

Early Hef had a pipe and suit and a highbrow reference for every occasion; he even claimed to have aphilosophy, that final refuge of the scoundrel. But late Hef was a lecherous, low-brow Peter Pan, playing at perpetual boyhood — ice cream for breakfast, pajamas all day — while bodyguards shooed male celebrities away from his paid harem and the skull grinned beneath his papery skin.

This late phase was prettied up by reality television’s “The Girls Next Door,” which kept the orgies offstage and relied on the girlfriends’ mix of desperation, boredom and charisma forits strange appeal. Thebehind-the-scenes accountswererather grimmer: depression and drugs, “dirty hallway carpets and the curtains that smell like dog piss,” the chance to wait while Hef “picked the dog poo off the carpet — and then ask for our allowance.”

Needless to say the obituaries for Hefner, even if they acknowledge the seaminess, have beenfull of encomiafor his great deeds: Hef the vanquisher of puritanism, Hefthe political progressive, Hef the great businessman and all the rest. There are evenconservative appreciations, arguing that for all his faults Hef was an entrepreneur who appreciated the finer things in life and celebratedla difference.

What a lot of garbage. Sure, Hefner supported some good causes and published some good writers. But his good deeds and aesthetic aspirations were ultimately incidental to his legacy — a gloss over his flesh-peddling, smeared like Vaseline on a pornographer’s lens. The things that were distinctively Hefnerian, that made him influential and important, were all rotten, and to the extent they were part of stories that people tend to celebrate, they showed the rot in larger things as well.

His success as a businessman showed the rotten side of capitalism — the side that exploits appetites for money, that feeds leech-like on our vices, that dissolves family and religion while promising that consumption will fill the void they leave behind.

The social liberalism he championed was the rotten and self-interested sort, a liberalism of male andupper-class privilege, in which the strong and beautiful and rich take their pleasure at the expense of the vulnerable and poor and not-yet-born.

The online future his career anticipated was the rotten side of the internet — the realms of onanism and custom-tailored erotica, where the male vanity and entitlement he indulgedhas curdledinto resentment and misogyny.

And his appreciation of male-female difference was rotten, too — the leering predatory sort of appreciation, the Cosby-Clinton-Trump sort, the sort that nicknames quaaludes “thigh openers” and expects the girls to laugh, the sort that prefers breast implants to female intellect and rents the charms of youth to escape the realities of age.

No doubt what Hefner offered America somebody else would have offered in his place, and the changes he helped hasten would have come rushing in without him.

But in every way that mattered he made those changes worse, our culture coarser and crueler and more sterile than liberalism or feminism or freedom of speech required. And in every way that mattered his life story proved that we were wrong to listen to him, because at the end of thelong slidelay only a degraded, priapic senility, or the desperate gaiety of Prince Prospero’s court with the Red Death at the door.

Now that death has taken him, we should examine our own sins. Liberals should ask why their crusade for freedom and equality found itself with such a captain, and what his legacy says about their cause. Conservatives should ask how their crusade for faith and family and community ended up so Hefnerian itself — with a conservative news network that seems to have been run on Playboy Mansion principles and a conservative party that just electeda playboy as our president.

You can find these questions being asked, but they are counterpoints and minor themes. That this should be the case, that onlyprudish Christiansandspoilsport feministsare willing to say that the man was obviously wicked and destructive, is itself a reminder that the rot Hugh Hefner spread goes very, very deep.

Gingernaut · 01/10/2017 09:05

Sorry, there were a series of hyperlinks in the original article that made the spacings go to pot!

mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/30/opinion/hugh-hefner.html

Gingernaut · 01/10/2017 09:08

Suzanne Moore of The Guardian

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/28/hugh-hefner-pimp-sue-playboy-mansion

Gingernaut · 01/10/2017 09:12

I didn't read the full thread before posting the Suzanne Moore article.

Sorry for the duplication. Blush

Madeyemoodysmum · 01/10/2017 09:25

Bicarb. That's really interesting.

crunchtime · 01/10/2017 09:28
  • don't know. Do you think factory workers, or people who unclog toilets and septic tanks for a living find it pleasant?

It was their free choice. That's the point.*

Do you think people who does those jobs have a really free choice? Do you think it's life's ambition?
Or do you think it's a means to an end-they need to pay the rent and feed the kids therefore they do what they can get?

I dislike the idea of 'free choice' when really a lot of the time you're doing what you need to do to get by. People who spout on about sex workers choosing freely to do it-well is it a free choice? Or is it a choice born of desperation and an inability to see another way?

pigeondujour · 01/10/2017 10:34

Surprised that his publishing naked pictures of Brooke Shields at 10 or Eva Ionesco at 11 hasn't been mentioned on this thread yet, as it's been talked about a lot on twitter. I didn't know about it until this week. For that alone, he deserves not one iota of positivity.

VladmirsPoutine · 01/10/2017 10:59

I can't remember whom it was but someone once said that it's unbecoming to speak ill of the dead but on learning that a close enemy had died she said "Oh, well it's not good to speak ill of the dead but if she's died then that's good." Grin still makes me laugh. Jimmy Saville and cohorts can burn in hell as far as I'm concerned.

ILoveMillhousesDad · 01/10/2017 11:01

91 yo professional pervert dies. (Shrug)

KrytensNanobots · 01/10/2017 14:00

Well, Jimmy Saville raised lots of money for charity, but he was still an abusive creep, and same for Hefner.

Exactly. Keep seeing "well he did loads for charity/supported rights etc" and that thought crossed my mind too.
So fkn what if he did? Doesn't make you automatically a decent person.
Jimmy Saville, anyone?

KrytensNanobots · 01/10/2017 14:01

Surprised that his publishing naked pictures of Brooke Shields at 10 or Eva Ionesco at 11 hasn't been mentioned on this thread yet

Ugh, that is stomach churning if so Sad why is that not getting a mention anywhere in the media?
The man makes my skin crawl, always has.

noeffingidea · 01/10/2017 14:40

I was reading an article today written by an employee of his that described 'pig nights', where prostitutes were hired to have sex with celebrities, often porn stars for Hefners and his buddies entertainment. The women often couldn't walk afterwards and had to be helped to the bathroom to recuperate.
Any woman that tries to claim that is 'empowering' can fuck right off, as far as I'm concerned.
I agree about the publication of the photos of Brooke Shields and any other underage child as well. Fucking disgusting.
And the biggest insult of all , the fact that the playboy brand was marketed to young girls in the form of pencil cases and duvet sets with pink bunnies on them. It's nothing more than mass grooming, and our society just sat back and allowed it to happen.

Gingernaut · 01/10/2017 15:49

There was a Playboy shop that opened in Birmingham years ago.

There was much pomp, circumstance, publicity and slack jaws.

It closed down within a year and it's now a very tatty Burger King.

On the corner of High Street and Union Street, a few doors down from Boots on the High Street.

Not everyone bought into the Playboy brand....

noeffingidea · 01/10/2017 17:18

I mentioned this article a couple of hours ago. Just found the link
nypost.com/2017/09/30/hefners-former-valet-reflects-on-pig-nights-with-hookers-and-hef/
He was a fucking horrible piece of shit.

KrytensNanobots · 01/10/2017 18:09

Pig nights?! WTAF.

KrytensNanobots · 01/10/2017 18:13

Just read that article. Vile doesn't begin to describe him. Everyone knew what the Playboy mansion was - loads of girls and sex. Why was it allowed to go on?

WheresMyTaco · 01/10/2017 18:17

His presence also helped usher in the sexual revolution.

The pill ushered in the sexual revolution because it meant women could have sex without consequence. His magazine ushered in wanking to women in magazines.

Anymajordude · 01/10/2017 18:24

Well said Taco. The sexual revolution for men with women objectified and patronised and reduced to young, subservient clones and wank fodder for men. Wouldn't it have been better if he had championed LGBT rights and sexual equality for women. I don't know about you but colouring my hair blonde, sticking on a costume that gives me a wedgie and shagging old men or pretend shagging other women doesn't do it for me.

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