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Is he Right, Left, or is He Nothing at All? Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 17/09/2017 01:20

My bet is on nothing.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3024189-In-the-dim-corner-we-have-Trump-In-the-dictator-corner-we-have-Kim-Or-is-that-mixed-up

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badbadhusky · 24/09/2017 16:28

I think he implied it was dissing veterans as a by-product of dissing the flag.

Fekko · 24/09/2017 16:30

He does realise that there probably are some players (Or their relatives) who are vets (unlike that draft dodging twit)?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/09/2017 16:32

Barbara Morrill
Barbara Morrill @BarbinMD
Whoa. Pittsburgh Steelers will not even appear on the field during the anthem.

OuaisMaisBon · 24/09/2017 16:42

Dan Rather is very powerful today:

"It's football Sunday, and I have a pit in my stomach, and a sickening sense of deja vu. Who knows what the day will bring?

I do know the source of my disquiet. It is the stench of bigotry as a demagogue stirs the potent cauldron of racial division. I want to say, this is so unnecessary. We have so many other things we should be worrying about. But of course now this is real, and it must be called out. This is an age when no one can be neutral. To remain silent in the face of race-baiting is to be complicit. And I have seen the cost of complicity. It is ugly.

On Friday night, and then in a chain of tweets (what else) President Trump targeted African American athletes for provocation and ridicule. He has called into question their Americanness, as he called into question the Americanness of his predecessor President Obama. Perhaps what is saddest about this moral cowardice is that Mr. Trump may derive some political gain from these attacks amongst his supporters, but he fails in the test of leadership. Big time. For a President to be doing this - pouring gasoline on the embers of racial resentment - is really unspeakable. Instead of trying to reduce the potentially explosive emotions about race, he is trying to exacerbate them for his own gain.

I have seen this game plan before. My mind is transported across the decades. I hear the adjective "uppity", and much worse. I see the mouths of authority curl with disdain and mutter "what do you think you're doin', boy?" - the last word spit out in disgust.

I feel time click into rewind, to when African Americans weren't thought of as being "smart" enough to play quarterback, to when there was a "gentlemen's agreement" amongst college basketball coaches to the total number of African American players on the court. Backwards still to all-white teams, and all-white leagues. I remember Jackie Robinson, and a time before someone of his skin color dared to think he could earn a living as an athlete in the United States.

I know this history. And so does Donald Trump. He understands how salient the trope of the "angry black man" is. It was said of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and other now-revered leaders of the civil rights struggle. It is so ingrained in our history that it can become resonant even in those who say they aren't bigoted. So Mr. Trump plucks at it. He knows that he can use the American flag as a symbol of division and not unity. So he sows that thought.

I grant that there are many who are offended by players taking a knee during the National Anthem. That is their right, as it is the right of those who protest to have their speech protected. This is how we discuss our differences peacefully in a democracy. But calling out these players as S.O.B.s (but using the actual profane words) who should be fired, that's a pointed attack on our Constitutional rights. And it is summoning the dark shadows of centuries of racial stereotyping. Let's just say I have seen plenty of white S.O.B.s in sports who have been given awards rather than pink slips.

President Trump is not trying to win over the majority of the American people. He wants to animate his base and bask in its approval. Will his supporters in Congress continue to stand by in tell-tale silence? Will his donors, including some of the owners of professional sports teams?

We are not a nation of majority bigots. The strident ranks of the intolerant can be overwhelmed by enough people agreeing that this is not who we are, or who we want to be. Mr. Trump's cheers can be drowned out by a chorus of justice.

And one final thought, we have seen these distractions before. As Mr. Trump dominates the news cycle over race, as he issues bellicose threats to North Korea, one wonders what bombshells may be brewing in the Russia investigation, which seems to be gaining speed and scope."

cozietoesie · 24/09/2017 16:44

An NFL piece,

staying in the locker room

OuaisMaisBon · 24/09/2017 16:46

The Pittsburgh Steelers protest is amazing! I hope their fans will support them, and all the other teams who protest peacefully against their President's unashamed and unAmerican racism.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/09/2017 18:09

Eric Garland
Eric Garland @ericgarland
Putin poledancer Farage traveling to Alabama to support lunatic US Senate candidate- against every political norm.

Nigel Farage to support controversial judge Roy Moore in Alabama election

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/24/nigel-farage-alabama-roy-moore-donald-trump

badbadhusky · 24/09/2017 18:11

^Putin poledancer Farage*

Grin Marvellous description! (Shame about the actions he's commenting on. Urgh!)

lionheart · 24/09/2017 18:18

George Takei‏Verified account @GeorgeTakei

The Steelers will remain in their locker room during the National Anthem, the team confirmed. They will not be talking about grabbing pussy.

orlantina · 24/09/2017 18:27

The Mockingjay salute du jour

Indeed. We watched the Hunger Games last night and DS got a little lecture on this protest and Gandhi as well.

Fekko · 24/09/2017 18:28

Is the uk visit still on? I'm pondering how we can make his little head explode.

cozietoesie · 24/09/2017 18:29

DS will end up knowing as much about US and international politics as he knows about the UK! Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/09/2017 18:32

Seung Min Kim‏Verified account
@seungminkim
! @LindseyGrahamSC on him, RonJohn: "We're not going to vote for a budget resolution that doesn't allow the health care debate to continue."

Ben Wikler‏Verified account @benwikler

Ben Wikler Retweeted Seung Min Kim
So this sucks: even if repeal fails this week, the GOP will set up next year's budget resolution to keep the door open to 50-vote ACA repeal

orlantina · 24/09/2017 18:58

Robert Maxwell on Take a Knee

A’s catcher Bruce Maxwell takes a knee as outfielder Mark Canha puts his hand on his shoulder during the playing of the national anthem before a game against the Rangers at the Coliseum.

A’s rookie catcher Bruce Maxwell, who earlier in the day profanely bashed President Trump on Instagram, became the first major-league player to kneel during the national anthem on Saturday before Oakland’s 1-0 win at the Coliseum.

“My decision had been coming for a long time,” Maxwell said, citing his own experiences with racism while growing up in Huntsville, Ala., which is where Trump on Friday made disparaging comments about NFL players who choose to kneel for the anthem. “The only way we can come together is by informing. ... To single out NFL players for doing this isn’t something we should be doing — I felt it should be a little more broad.”

Maxwell plans to continue kneeling for the anthem.

“He’s very courageous,” said A’s outfielder Khris Davis, who hit his 40th homer Saturday. “I respect his decision, he’s just exercising his rights as an American.”

The product of a U.S. military family, Maxwell placed his hand on his heart and faced the flag during the anthem while taking a knee before the game against Texas.

“The point of my kneeling was not to disrespect our military or our constitution or our country,” Maxwell said. “My hand was over my heart because I love this country and I have family members, including my father, who bled for this country, and who continue to serve. At the end of the day, this is the best country on the planet. I am and forever will be an American citizen and grateful to be here, but my kneeling is what’s getting the attention, and I’m kneeling for the people who don’t have a voice.

“This goes beyond the black and Hispanic communities because right now we have a racial divide that’s being practiced from the highest power we have in this country saying it’s basically OK to treat people differently. I’m kneeling for a cause but I’m in no way disrespecting my country or my flag.

AcrossthePond55 · 24/09/2017 19:20

You know, I was thinking. DS1 played (American) football in High School. The phrase 'taking a knee' actually meant when the coach gathered the team together for a short prayer for a 'good game and an honest victory' just before the game or, in the case of a serious injury on either team, players would also 'take a knee'. In other words, when you were 'taking a knee' you were to be silent, respectful, and to pray or offer silent thoughts of strength for your teammates or the other team's players.

So, to me, the current #takeaknee movement means that players who are taking a knee are offering silent, respectful protest against the racism in our country AND prayers or silent thoughts for healing and the building of brother/sister-hood for us all. And that's a GOOD thing!

Fekko · 24/09/2017 19:21

Just watching Muse on tv. Is it all about aliens...?

orlantina · 24/09/2017 20:05

Head coach of the team not going to the White House

Kerr on how Trump has changed what it means to visit the White House: “In general, the idea of going to the White House as part of a championship team is awesome, an incredible honor. You honor the office, the institution. I can speak from personal experience. It doesn’t matter, you set aside personal differences. I’ve had the pleasure of meeting with (Ronald) Reagan, George Bush, (Bill) Clinton, George W. Bush, (Barack) Obama. I didn’t necessarily agree with all of them, but it was an incredible honor to be in their presence.

There was a respect for the office and also a respect from not only us, but from the president himself. I think we would, in normal times, very easily be able to set aside political differences, go visit and have a good time.

“But these are not ordinary times. Probably the most divisive times of my life, I’d guess since Vietnam when I was kid. Because of the differences in this country, the president made it really, really difficult for us to honor that institution. Our differences in terms of our team and our organization’s values are so dramatically different.

I’m talking in terms of inclusion and civil discourse and dignity. It’s hard for us every day, when we’re seeing the things he’s saying. I thought yesterday his comments about the NFL players were as bad as anything he’s said to this point. It was awful. You’re talking about young men who are peacefully protesting police brutality and racism. Racial inequality. Peacefully protesting — hallmarks of our country. Come on. This has been very difficult for us to have to reconcile.”

cozietoesie · 24/09/2017 20:22

45 should, if he were wise, just keep his mouth zipped, his phone off and do some work.

He seems lazy though. He's seemingly used to just mouthing off as a substitute for hard work.

Lweji · 24/09/2017 20:43

So, to me, the current #takeaknee movement means that players who are taking a knee are offering silent, respectful protest against the racism in our country AND prayers or silent thoughts for healing and the building of brother/sister-hood for us all. And that's a GOOD thing!

That's what I thought!
I can't see how taking a knee (or kneeling) during the anthem is disrespectful. Although it's meaningful, and I can understand why some people feel attacked.

lionheart · 24/09/2017 21:10

Trying to rally his base and distract again.

www.politico.com/story/2017/09/24/jared-kushner-private-email-white-house-243071

AcrossthePond55 · 24/09/2017 21:14

Lweji, I think if someone feels attacked by peaceful protest and by the free expression of views then they need to remember the principles upon which the USA was founded. That people have the right to speak their minds without fear of arrest, as long as they are not inciting violence or hatred. Trump's doing both. And by extension, when they support him, so are his 'fans'.

cozietoesie · 24/09/2017 21:20

I actually don't think that he personally is trying to 'distract', lion. (I don't think he has the political nous.) I reckon he just feels......irritated/defensive over certain subjects and turns to known diatribes instead.

I grant you that the outside effect may be the same. Wink

CaveMum · 24/09/2017 21:47

George Clooney responds to Trump's attacks on the "Hollywood Elite"

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