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to think that Paul Bowhill (bailiff) should be Knighted!

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ToeKneeChestNut · 16/09/2017 20:43

Paul Bowhill of Can't Pay We'll Take it Away fame is so kind!
He always goes out of his way to help the evictees; giving his own number, making arrangements for them.
He doesn't just evict and go. He should be Sir Paul!

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LEMtheoriginal · 17/09/2017 14:42

Yeah we nearly lost our home because we wanted a new phone Hmm

microchrista · 17/09/2017 14:56

You mentioned they have the right to hold doors open, Poppycorn? Only in certain circumstances. From CAB
if you decide to open your door, don't let the bailiff in. Tell them you won't give them permission to enter your home. Stand in their way, hold your ground and don't let them in. The bailiff isn't allowed to push past you or jam their foot in the door

There's only a few situations where they can do that:

when the bailiff is chasing up unpaid magistrates' court fines
when the bailiff wants to enter your trade or business premises to chase up unpaid county court judgements (CCJs) ) or High court judgements
if the bailiff has been given a court order allowing them to use reasonable force to enter your property to collect debts owed to HM Revenue and Customs
when the bailiff has been given a court order allowing them use reasonable force to enter other premises where they believe you may have deliberately taken your belongings to stop them being seized.

www.citizensadvice.org.uk/debt-and-money/action-your-creditor-can-take/bailiffs/letting-a-bailiff-into-your-home/can-a-bailiff-force-entry-into-your-home/

microchrista · 17/09/2017 14:56

I didn't intend to bold that!

microchrista · 17/09/2017 14:59

Wow Papafran! He sounds like a nasty piece of work, Bailiff Paul.

MilfordFound · 17/09/2017 14:59

I've seen this programme and remember thinking that Paul Bohill was calm, patient and compassionate.

For those saying it's poverty porn, I kind of understand. But to me it's not 'entertainment'. Similarly I watch 24 hours in A&E not to be entertained. I watch it because it's educating, it's raw humanity. It's situations you don't normally come across in day to day life, you question how you would react, you learn how people cope.

The argument about poverty porn and people being at their most vulnerable being filmed for 'entertainment' could apply to 24 hours in A&E and other programmes but they don't seem to cause the same anger.

Snap8TheCat · 17/09/2017 15:00

No. I don't watch the show. I am sure you will tell me that the exact opposite happened though.

Well it is a bit odd to post half a story. What would you say to the woman who worked for him for three weeks and at the end he decided she hadn't earned anything so refused to pay her? She took her case to court and won. Why should Mr Wright not have to pay? The worker might then fall in arrears with her own bills if she's not paid for work completed.

HazelBite · 17/09/2017 15:00

Cases get taken to the High Court when there has been a judgment in the County Court which has been ignored by the defendant there is an awful lot of ostrich type behaviour in these cases.
These people know full well they owe money, they have adequate time to appeal the decision, but don't.
Don't get me started on the professional "non rent payers" who go from property to property just paying the deposit and then no more, they play the system because they know how long it takes to evict someone via the Courts.
Work for a few months in a County Court or the High Court and your sympathy would soon wane, there are a lot of people out there who take no responsibility for themselves and their behaviour, and their are many professional victims out there too!

Yes there are some genuine people out there but they really are a small minority.

PoppyPopcorn · 17/09/2017 15:05

You mentioned they have the right to hold doors open, Poppycorn? Only in certain circumstances. From CABif you decide to open your door, don't let the bailiff in. Tell them you won't give them permission to enter your home. Stand in their way, hold your ground and don't let them in. The bailiff isn't allowed to push past you or jam their foot in the door

But the people featured in the show aren't bailiffs. They are high court enforcement officers. From what I understand they're not allowed to force entry into your home, but if you open the door they're allowed to come in.

High Court officers have more powers.

Papafran · 17/09/2017 15:20

What would you say to the woman who worked for him for three weeks and at the end he decided she hadn't earned anything so refused to pay her? She took her case to court and won. Why should Mr Wright not have to pay? The worker might then fall in arrears with her own bills if she's not paid for work completed

I am not commenting on whether the debt should be enforced or not. It's more that it shows a different side of this man who everyone is describing as some sort of modern-day Jesus on here. According to that person's experience, that is not how he actually behaves. Now that might or might not be the truth, but you cannot say that the version you see on TV is necessarily true either. It is fact though that the company he works for is not squeaky clean.

Snap8TheCat · 17/09/2017 15:27

I hope you never need help from the court of this land. I am glad we have high courts to go to and no I don't feel one once of sympathy especially in the case of Mr Wright. He shouldn't be such a con man.

microchrista · 17/09/2017 15:35

But the people featured in the show aren't bailiffs. They are high court enforcement officers. From what I understand they're not allowed to force entry into your home, but if you open the door they're allowed to come in. High Court officers have more powers.

High court officer is only a type of bailiff. The powers, depend on the circumstances and type of debt (see CAB link). From the gov.uk advice:
A bailiff may also visit your home for other reasons, for example to serve court documents or give notices and summons.

There are different kinds of bailiffs, known as:

‘certificated enforcement agents’
‘high court enforcement officers’
‘county court and family court bailiffs’
‘civilian enforcement officers’

Bailiffs are allowed to force their way into your home to collect unpaid criminal fines, Income Tax or Stamp Duty, but only as a last resort.

Papafran · 17/09/2017 15:58

I hope you never need help from the court of this land. I am glad we have high courts to go to and no I don't feel one once of sympathy especially in the case of Mr Wright

Why do you hope that? I said I see the need for enforcement of judgments. I don't think it should be entertainment though and the way that bailiffs behave is intimidating to vulnerable people.

Papafran · 17/09/2017 15:59

But the people featured in the show aren't bailiffs. They are high court enforcement officers

Yes, they are bailiffs. Their boss is a high court enforcement officer, not them, and they work on his behalf. This is not all the work they do and they basically are bailiffs.

RonSwansonsMoustache · 17/09/2017 18:34

Yes, they are bailiffs.

"Can't Pay? We'll Take It Away! is a factual/reality documentary series on Channel 5. It follows the work of High Court Enforcement Officers (also known as Sheriff's Officers) as they execute High Court writs across the UK,"\

No, they're not.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 17/09/2017 18:35

Yes, they are bailiffs.

No they aren't.

microchrista · 17/09/2017 18:43

The national govt website, which I've already quoted, says the high court enforcement officers are a type of bailiff. So bailiff is just fine.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 17/09/2017 18:44

The national govt website, which I've already quoted, says the high court enforcement officers are a type of bailiff. So bailiff is just fine.

With completely different and many more powers to 'normal' bailiffs.

RonSwansonsMoustache · 17/09/2017 18:45

So bailiff is just fine.

Not really, because High Court Enforcement Officers have more powers than regular bailiffs. It's not helpful implying they're the same, because HCEO's can, for example, walk in if you open the door them and can force entry if needs be. Regular bailiffs need permission to enter, even if you open the door to them.

Papafran · 17/09/2017 19:13

With completely different and many more powers to 'normal' bailiffs

Well, Paul himself is not on the register of HCEOs though and works for a company called DCBL who are, according to their website:

Award Winning Experts in Debt Recovery, High Court Enforcement, Commercial Rent Recovery & Security Solutions Since 2001

So, yes, he is a bailiff who works for a company that also does High Court work as well as other non-High Court work. Just the same as many other bailiff companies. Nothing special about him or about the company.

PeaceAndLove1 · 19/09/2017 16:10

I mentioned this earlier on in the thread about the Vatican keeping a vast amount of documentation hidden. Has anyone else got any opinions/thoughts on this. Documentation not just on religious matters either.

PeaceAndLove1 · 19/09/2017 16:11

Sorry wrong thread.

ghanty · 29/08/2020 05:30

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Avelosa · 29/08/2020 06:51

@ghanty nice work dragging up a 3 year old thread to advertise, very subtleHmm

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