To think weekly shop prices are outrageous?

[meadowlark3]

I was in Sainsbury's yesterday and was a bit surprised by the prices. We buy nearly the same items every week and whilst I expect some variation, some of the prices had me Own brand hummous is usually £1, this week was £1.50. Gallia melon always £1 each, now also £1.50. Has anyone else noticed this? Is it Brexit now impacting the retailer and theyre no longer absorbing the change?

I was yesterday but read today that John Lewis has had profits halve due to Brexit and not yet passing the change on to customers.

callmedoll
re farmers : read the NFU policy papers ~ drive through the countryside in the run up to any election and see the banners ~ deal with farmers who are councillors and hear them spout ~ read the business press
the evidence is there

Actually I really would like you to back up a single one of those statements with any fact or evidence. On what are you basing those utterly laughable and ridiculous claims? I'm sure some are true of individual farmers but so are they true of any individual member of society.

You do realise farmers are mothers, fathers, sons, daughter, with thoughts, feelings etc? People who work really bloody hard and care about their work in the way that teachers, NHS etc workers do? They are not robots.

I'm particularly interested in your claim that they somehow move cattle infected with TB? How do they manage that?

Callmedoll
The NFU Website shows the conflicting advise
www.nfuonline.com/news/general-election-2017/general-election-2017-must-read/back-british-farming-brexit-and-beyond-the-nfu-2017-manifesto/
www.nfuonline.com/news/general-election-2017/general-election-2017-must-read/back-british-farming-brexit-and-beyond-the-nfu-2017-manifesto/

Cattle : A farmer was caught bringing stock to a show when he had a movement ban. He was asked to remove them before the public came in but he effectively jeapordised dozens of other farms for the sake of a rosette. I'd have to dig out my old show programme to remember the farm but they were Limousin.

So. Some documents on a farming union website giving some advice. (As an aside, I'd be interested how many read it, never mind acted upon it. Is your career one which involves union membership? Do you read all the information you are sent? Do you act upon it? Do you have time???)

And one farmer at one show.

Tell me what you know about cattle passports and how they work.

Ta1kinPeece

I'm a farmer. Pretty sure I voted libdem and remain.

My DP (a proper farmer 1000 sheep, 80 cows etc ) definitely voted remain and is devastated at brexit.

My farmer parents voted remain

Our farmer next door neighbours voted remain.

Most of the sensible farming press urged farmers to vote remain.

I have never heard anyone moving cattle round in breach of TB restrictions. It's virtually impossible, and pointless.

Having TB in the badger population is just as bad for badgers as it is for cattle. In most circumstances a humane cull would be appropriate to keep the badger population healthy.

Sweeping generalisations are never helpful, and just make the person making them look a bit silly.

Callme

Tell me what you know about cattle passports and how they work.

yes this!

And the show example... it kind of proves that you CANT just move to restricted cattle without someone picking up on it pretty quickly!

Thank you Scrowy

I could have written a very similar post but obviously I'm feeling emotional today

Just sitting talking it over with much-more-sensible-than-me dh who never engages in pointless arguments. Not much time for them after a 100 hour week (calving season here).

Ta1kin why not go and visit some farms on Open Farm Sunday and find out a bit more about the people and practices involved. I think you will find it very far removed from your impression.

I am painfully aware that so much education about the farming industry is needed but we are so short on time and resources and sometimes it gets exhausting (and exasperating).

To others reading, please know your producers are working their arses off for little to no profit themselves. Far far removed from a group of Tory-living Brexiteers careering around the countryside spraying TB from the back of their land rovers

I don't know any farmers, and am certainly not a Brexiteer, and I would find it very hard to believe that farmers of any political stripe make a habit of merrily whizzing TB-infected cattle around the countryside.

^^

It's Sunday night, people. It's very chilly. Please accept a little peace-offering of and .

I know lots of people like a good bunfight but I'm sensing that not everyone's happy here. So maybe it's time to break out a little warmth and good-will.

my (retired) farmer parents voted for Brexit and assured me that the farming community in their area all voted Brexit. They told me they had to vote for Brexit because EU red tape was runing farming, why, according to a leaflet they had received through the door, the EU was shortly going to prevent them from poisoning vermin on their farms.

We checked this out for them and found that the EU regulation required that farmers do a course in the safe use of poisons before using them (it was already in force but until then had not applied to farmers over a certain age). I know some of those farming neighbours and it's an excellent thing if they have to do a course on safe handling of poisons.

ichbineinstasumer and even then they only have to do it if they are not Farm Assured.

Yes I've definitely noticed. I use Waitrose and Ocado so not cheap anyway but prices are going through the roof. Especially for meat and fish, we eat a fresh portion for dinner every night (and I often have for lunch too as I eat a lot of protein) and prices are rocketing. I think we spend over £70 a week just on meat and fish for four of us (of whom 2 are at home the whole time).

I also noticed that my cc company are putting up annual interest rates by 2% from 16.9 to 18.9%. That's at rise of over TEN PER CENT. Luckily I don't have any c/c debt but I couldn't believe it.

"But farmers keep voting Tory and voted for Brexit
they get little sympathy from me

Farmers supported the abolition of the Milk Marketing board by the Tories - and they are the biggest losers

Farmers voted for Brexit and they will be some of the biggest losers

Farmers move cattle around in breach of TB rules, expect badgers to be shot and in the end are the biggest losers"

That is possibly the most ill-informed post I've ever seen on mumsnet and that's saying something

I hate that older people think that nowadays young people arent prepared to save.

Bollocks. Such as not being prepared fo have second hand furniture. The majority of my furniture is second hand inherited from my gran...i even got her flat screen tv!

Also this thing about costa coffee...cant afford it.

I cant save as i cant afford to.

The future...

Farming - I'm sure there are some who have arable automated megafarms and coin it, but the farmers I know (mainly upland areas, two dairy) work insane hours, for not much profit. They're rich on paper as they own the land, but in reality they struggle. Milk prices are scandalously low, because supermarkets use it as a loss leader, so dairy farms are going out of business left right and centre (especially smaller producers.) hill farming has never been terribly profitable.

Uk food prices are low for Northern Europe. Brexit is going to be a huge shock

And the eurozone posted decent growth this last year. Economically, the pain after the 2008 crash is starting to pay off. Just in time for Britain to leave.

Most farmers are not even landowners these days. Most of those sold out years ago because there was no money in the actual business anymore.

A farmer now is very likely a tenant on a farm owned either by an estate (either local or The Crown) or a bank/pension fund as an investment.

So not even rich on paper.

So not even rich on paper.

True. I think the people I know are unusual in that only two are tenants (hill farmer and crofter.) others own the land.

I think there's a real reluctance to look at where our food comes from and how we treat the growing/producing/supply chain at all stages. Milk being a prime example. Milk is far, far too cheap.

All the farmers I know voted to remain, they said it would be economic suicide not to. Some are now considering selling, which is a huge thing for them.

Farmers are not stupid.

Quite heartened by the support or at least understanding for the producers on this thread now, thank you

And yes to the price of milk being too little. Whilst everything else has gone up, the milk price has dropped. Bottled water is far more expensive than milk! 🙄

I'm starting to wonder if it's worth stockpiling dry goods staples like rice, pulses, sugar, oats etc. It is more economical to buy in bulk if you can and they will bulk out any meal. I always grow a few vegetables but nowhere near enough to be self sufficient (and we are a larger family of 6). I do plan on expanding a little though. Also a big way in which we supplement our food supplies is by foraging for edible greens and berries/apples in the late summer and autumn. It's good exercise and fresh air and lots of free food!