to be freaked out by the frozen, filled faces littering our media

[PhelanGood]

Seriously. And I bet they all think nobody can tell! Will this trend ever end?

I'm often too distracted by the botoxed plumped juvedermed visages on display, to concentrate on what the bearer of said face is actually saying! Doesn't help that they can no longer engage viewers with natural facial expressions.

I find it fascinating and alarming that paying to have the world's deadliest poison injected into you is becoming the norm, especially when all it achieves is a face that doesn't move, and ultimately a weakening of the muscles, which surely are the thing we should be strengthening to prevent wrinkles long term..!? And concentrating on eliminating toxins!

(Obviously I'm not talking about its medicinal uses such as preventing migraines.)

Fillers are even worse, they look absolutely repugnant to me. Especially in the lips! Who wants to kiss a pair of plumped up plastic lips that look like you've had an allergic reaction.

Am I being unreasonable, and am I alone in finding this trend so disturbing and weird... do I need to get with the times? Are injectables just today's "whalebone corsets"? It's got to a point where I actually adore seeing lovely wrinkled faces on the screen as it's so rare now.

Simon Cowell

Missed out a sentence. Meant to say is Simon Cowell ill or overprocessed?

I personally like the look. Done properly I think it looks fab and I love the picture of the lips a pp posted.

Bluntness

Julie Walters. I'd say she's had nothing done.

Like contouring Botox looks good in photos but terrible in real life. I don't think lots of women realise they have over done it.
Lots of pretty beauty journalists who should know better do it now.
It is the difference between the top of the face (smooth and egg like) versus the chin, which makes the face look wonky.

The eyes are a giveaway. They suddenly become really small, particularly when someone smiles.

This thread made me remember a school friend's golddigger ex step mum. She was only in her early twenties, about 5 years older than us as schoolgirls, and her face was full of Botox and fillers, she also had her kneecaps liposuctioned and Botox in her armpits to stop her sweating among many other cosmetic treatments. I saw her recently, she must be 30 odd now and she looks exactly the same because of the frozen face with fish lips. I imagine she will look the same if I see her at 40 or 50 or 60 as once you've started with the Botox/fillers it is a shock to the system to stop when you have got so used to yourself looking a certain way which is far from reality. She went on and on about how much she wanted a baby, but couldn't give up her treatments as it isn't safe in pregnancy, I wonder how many people this will be an issue for.

I didn't realise how much work trinny Woodall had had done, it makes me very sceptical of her skincare videos now, which I loved, because obviously she doesn't look like that just from some face creams. She has briefly touched on having Botox in one video but I think it is pretty misleading to talk about anti ageing products and how good they are when you have had a lot more help than some gloop from a jar.

Madonna looked great up until about 5 years ago when she finally succumbed to fillers. Now she has that pillowy faced look that a lot of actresses over 50 have these days.

Joan Collins claims to never have had anything done but bless her, she looks fab for 80something!

I think with the younger ones it's another sad sign about how much social media is taking over lives now. People would rather look better in pictures with OTT makeup and surgery etc than look better in real life. It's all about the likes :(

YA so NBU. And I do wonder do these filled and botoxed people actually realise that they don't look any younger than their years? They look their age but um, filled and bottoxed!!

Well we certainly don't need men knocking women, we do such a good job of it ourselves.

Is it 'knocking' or it it discussing a phenomenon that effects us all?

Madonna has had a very bad upper facelift which is the main cause of her frozen face.

So much misogyny on this thread it makes for depressing reading.

I don't give a monkeys what people do to themselves, totally up to them.

What does bother me is women slating other women for their personal choices and how they look.

WTF has it got to do with you! Some of the posters on here sounds so bitchy and bitter.

Get a life people, it really will help with all this hate you have for other women

I think making nasty remarks about people's appearance is knocking. If you say someone looks odd, looks like a robot or asking if they want to look like a different species I think that is knocking them. Saying someone looks like a cod or if you saw them you would jump or putting up a photo of someone but cropping it so you don't "shame" them, yes I think that is all knocking.

HotNatured, well said.

I was watching apparently having Botox interferes with mirroring other facial expressions - thus meaning it's harder for people who have it to read other people.

I do wonder what that means for society if large numbers of people start to have Botox.

My hairdresser is (was) a beautiful 25 year old woman. Then she went under the knife. (At 25?). She's had botox, some weird lip thing and don't even get me started on the eyebrows and now looks really different and fake. She reallly didn't need any of that.

'So much misogyny on this thread sad it makes for depressing reading.'

Hogwash. Real misogyny is the normalisation of this distorted idea of beauty that can only be achieved using scalpels and needles. Women (and some men) are butchering themselves in the name of beauty. Young women who aren't even in their twenties are having unnecessary cosmetic surgery. And some people do look odd , there's no two ways about it.

I think it's everyone's business when the media make it seem so normal and you have so many young women copying the checklist of body modifications necessary to be seen as attractive these days. This kind of look is EVERYWHERE nowadays and I dread to think what kind of effect it has on younger girls who start to think they need Kylie Jenner lips, fake bums, fake boobs etc to keep up with everyone else.

Personally I try to avoid (it happens, I'm not perfect!) criticising the individual women and the choices they make for themselves, but looking at a wider level it does worry me that so many women see having cosmetic surgery as the norm now. I have a daughter, and it worries me that she is growing up seeing media that is full of women who have a look that is not even close to natural or achievable without surgery.

Don't get me wrong, media has always been filled with those women who are the prettiest/most attractive - but historically they still looked like typical women; a bit more groomed/elegant/pretty but still relatively natural. It does feel like you can't watch TV or open a magazine without seeing women who've had massive work done, and that it's filtering down to become almost expected and normal in some circles.

I think it's definitely a feminist issue that the media simply doesn't show women as they really are in their late 40s, 50s and beyond. It wasn't until I hit 45 and began feeling down about the lines that were appearing on my face and wondering how to fix them that I really thought about this, and realised that they don't need fixing because they're natural and normal. The real problem is this artificial reality we're being presented with where women do not age.

The sad thing is, if I feel bad about it, I'm guessing that the women who spend huge amounts of time and money actually getting treatments done might actually feel worse. It's a trap for all of us, whatever our choices (except those few well-adjusted people who genuinely don't care. Envious respect to them!)

I think the question is, are we just seeing bad Botox? There are some celebs who look amazing I'm thinking Jennifer Anniston, Reese Witherspoon, Rachel Weiz, Gillian Anderson... all 40 plus, some near 50. Had work done but look good.

Apparently, there is a move away from Botox in the forehead and fillers in the cheeks to a new approach where tiny bits of filler are injected in to your forehead therefore you can still move it and then you have Botox along the jaw to lift there.

Agree, we can all look young for our age in our 20's and 30's, nothing really happens in terms of ageing. I looked young for my age right up until late 30s. Then hit 40.5 and it was like something happened overnight. I haven't had any work done but I look every bit my age now and don't like it at all. So can see why people go down the surgery path.

I do think surgeons are moving away from the heavily botoxed, pillow face fillered look though...

Madonna does look a bit odd now, but yeah Joan Collins looks fab even though she has probably had stuff done.

I guess some celebs see themselves a lot in pictures and stuff, and think 'OMG I look old/rough/fat!' and have stuff done to remedy it. I feel a bit sorry for them actually, because they actually look fine, but they don't see that.

I know someone who knows a certain actress on Corrie (won't say which one,), and she said when she saw herself on TV (when she was first on Corrie,) she looked HUGE. (She was size 16-ish and she looked fine but she though she looked fat.) So she lost 2 stone, and looked a fair bit slimmer. She has regained it now though. Although she still looks ok.

No-one is being misogynistic by the way, we are only discussing and commenting - that is what people do. And we are mentioning some men too.

I wish people wouldn't say stuff like this. It's going to get to the point when people are going to be afraid to say anything. 'Bitchy and bitter?' Don't be silly @HotNatured

@CrizzleMyShizzle

Hogwash. Real misogyny is the normalisation of this distorted idea of beauty that can only be achieved using scalpels and needles. Women (and some men) are butchering themselves in the name of beauty. Young women who aren't even in their twenties are having unnecessary cosmetic surgery. And some people do look odd , there's no two ways about it.

Absolutely. There is nothing nasty or misogynistic about speaking the truth!!!

People say they look like a robot or a cod, because they do.

Women of ALL ages look way better when they have not had unnecessary cosmetic procedures,than those who have had them.

@Barbiessharptoenails

I think it's everyone's business when the media make it seem so normal and you have so many young women copying the checklist of body modifications necessary to be seen as attractive these days. This kind of look is EVERYWHERE nowadays and I dread to think what kind of effect it has on younger girls who start to think they need Kylie Jenner lips, fake bums, fake boobs etc to keep up with everyone else.

THIS ^

I agree with @Delatron that a few celebs DO look OK after procedures, but you can still tell they have had it done, and it's bordering on looking unnatural and odd.