Political correctness gone mad - parents under fire from withdrawing their child from school after male class mate wears a dress.

[ThaiRedCurry]

Ok so just catching up with my mail online news before bed. I've seen a Christian couple have withdrawn their son from school due to his male, 6 year old class mate wearing a dress to school.
They where on This Morning and have come under fire from viewers and the presenters for their decision to remove their son from the school as they don't agree with a boy wearing a dress.
I will just say I would find it a little odd but wouldn't withdraw my child from school.
I can't help but feel that if another race/religion did the same thing they wouldn't come under fire. It's as if white British folk are trying to be so politically correct we no longer can see what is ok and what isn't incase we offend some one.
I feel political correctness has gone mad 😖
I'm now going to sit and wait for Mums net abuse to roll in.

well what do you call a child with a penis that from a very young age doesn't want to be a boy, that wants to be a princess, wear pink, chooses his own remain name, wants to wear dresses, plays exclusively with dolls, prams, plastic food and kitchens etc

See, I have a vagina and from a very young age didn't want to be a girl, I wanted to be a policeman, wear blue, played only with boys, have an androgynous name, wanted to wear trousers, played exclusively with cars, tractors, loved climbing and sports. I wasn't transgender. I was just a girl who didn't conform to gender stereotypes.

Who has time to cater to such high maintenance precious friend?
This is what happened in the Jenner/Kardashian family.

Well what do you call a child with a penis that from a very young age doesn't want to be a boy, that wants to be a princess, wear pink, plays only with girls, chooses his own female name, wants to wear dresses, plays exclusively with dolls, prams, plastic food and kitchens etc.

Wearing pink, playing with girls, and playing exclusively with dolls, prams, plastic food and kitchens form a major part of the evidence for him actually being a girl?

I saw this on the bbc website and my understanding is not that they are simply upset by a boy in a dress but that the school is not seeing it as a boy in a dress but as a trans thing.

Which is so sad because it underlines that none of this would be happening if people didn't have stupid ideas about boy and girl clothing in the first place.

I was just thinking today that schools have a lot to answer for, it's 35 years ago my mum battled for me to be able to wear trousers - and lost.

Thefallenmadona
Its not calling them another name its telling 6 yr olds that just putting on a dress changes your sex entirely but you can change it back tomorrow if you put on trousers.

But if you dont believe in the magic clothes and say you are still a boy underneath them you will be punished. Thats not right in any world.

I wonder if Jamie Oliver know that he needs to look further into his career choice, pinks shirts and child holding behaviour?

DD2 said that gender-fluid friend always wears pants so there was no way of knowing if they are a girl or a boy on a particular day and DD2 was worried of calling them by the wrong name. I just told her to drop the friend. Who has time to cater to such high maintenance precious friend?

No one. Good she found out early. I found out too late about some misogynist assholes, because I just call people "you" and don't much talk about them, using pronouns, while they are present. They said some very nasty things when they realized that I did not in fact believe their gender delusions. I wish I had wasted less time. Will think of a way to use more pronouns in the future.

I was responding to misshelena's post there. Not the thread in general.

Yes. Very inconvenient Fallen and WAY too precious. Just choose a gender neutral name and call it a day.

OK. Well what do you call a child with a penis that from a very young age doesn't want to be a boy, that wants to be a princess, wear pink, plays only with girls, chooses his own female name, wants to wear dresses, plays exclusively with dolls, prams, plastic food and kitchens etc

I'd call them a child who happens to be playing with the things that they want to play with because they have not yet succumbed to the social conditioning of "girls' things" and "boys' things".

Your post suggests that only a female toddler could want to wear pink, play with other girls, play with dolls, prams, plastic food and kitchens, etc. If you genuinely believe that a 2-3 year old boy who wants to do these things is 'trans' then I am absolutely speechless at your narrow-mindedness, as well as your lack of knowledge of children's acquisition of gender awareness.

OK. Well what do you call a child with a penis that from a very young age doesn't want to be a boy, that wants to be a princess, wear pink, plays only with girls, chooses his own female name, wants to wear dresses, plays exclusively with dolls, prams, plastic food and kitchens etc.

I'd call him a boy

I can hardly believe that I'm reading, in 2017, that playing with plastic food and a toy kitchen and dolls and prams makes a toddler a girl.

Unless I've got the wrong end of the stick and it was sarcasm?

That would indeed be simpler, and more common IME.

But paranoid that was me as a toddler -!only replace all that with 'traditional' boy things and traits. I even cut my own hair at 31/2 - took my mums scissors from her sewing basket and cut my pigtails off! Threw my 'girls' clothes down the toilet!! I made my point very strongly. As an adult I have happily had long hair and short hair, make up no make up, skirts dresses jeans bras knickers g strings and am happy and content to be a female and have the genitalia that proclaims me female. Despite as a toddler, child and teenager wanting all to call me Bill and hating 'girls' stuff. I've also been known to wear pink - toddler me believed that to be the most appealing colour ever!

This is John Lewis's fault. They got rid of boy/girl clothes so now parents of 6 year old's dont know what they are supposed to wear.

Appalling!

This is John Lewis's fault. They got rid of boy/girl clothes so now parents of 6 year old's dont know what they are supposed to wear.

That must be it.

I have some doubts about transgenderism. To my mind saying 'I think I am the other gender' is like saying ' I think I am a small seashell/newt/bookcase'. You can't have any true concept of what it is like to be the other gender so identifying as it isn't actually possible, hence the need for a long transition period before taking irrevocable physical steps.

That being said I can't see why anyone needs to identify as one or the other, especially when young. Children should dress in the way they feel comfortable, if that means a dress one day and shorts the next - fair enough. That is pretty much what I do without any question around my preferred gender. If a child wants to be Alice one day and Alex the next, who really cares? His/her classmates will be more interested in whether they are funny/imaginative/good at soccer etc.

I am Christian, my children went to a church school and I think those parents are nosy, interfering bigots.

If my parents had bought into this sort of stuff then I'd definitely have been a boy. I had short hair, climbed trees, wore trousers, played with toy cars. And, more worryingly, I felt utterly traumatised and miserable when I started to grow up. I hated growing breasts etc, I was about 30 years old before I came to feel vaguely comfortable with my body. If someone had offered me puberty blocking drugs at the age of 10 or 11 I'd have taken them without hesitation. It's lucky no one did.

Well I bought a pair of slippers that were in the boys section recently via I liked them. Totally behind getting rid of boys/girls sections- that's a whole other debate I think to transgender

Unless I've got the wrong end of the stick and it was sarcasm?

I can only hope so! This is the attitude of someone who apparently works with kids, FFS. Never too early to start conditioning boys that playing with dolls or pretending to cook is not for them, eh?

People change names all the time, newly enthusiastic Buddhists, nuns etc, plus of course the bazillions of newlyweds, and it's a tiny inconvenience to learn their new name. They have made a choice, and we respect it, cos it's polite.

The problem with some of the examples discussed here is that they're inconsistent - Mary one day, Mark the next, then Mary again.

We can all get used to the kids teacher Miss Brown now being Mrs Callaghan after her wedding. But we'd all have something to say if she said the pupils had to call her Miss Brown on Wednesdays, or when she was wearing trousers, but Mrs Callaghan when she was in a skirt.

I suspect the original case caused such consternation as it was so illogically handled.

OK. Well what do you call a child with a penis that from a very young age doesn't want to be a boy, that wants to be a princess, wear pink, plays only with girls, chooses his own female name, wants to wear dresses, plays exclusively with dolls, prams, plastic food and kitchens etc.

Any one of the many boys I have minded over the years.
They have all played with the dolls, put them to bed, fed them, changed them. pushed them out for walks in pink buggies (it was the only colour you could get) played with toy food, cooking stuff etc but it didnt make them girls.

The girls also played with train sets, cars, trucks, tractors, farm animals etc. It didnt make them boys.

Kids play with any toy that takes their fancy and stimulates their imagination. It doesnt mean you should ship them off to be enrolled on the trans programme before they have even stopped growing and developing their own identity.

Hell I was a tomboy, played with guns, played cowboys and indians with boy friends, climbed trees, yadda yadda yadda. By todays standards my parents would have been convinced I was born the wrong sex and I would now be a trans man'.

OK. Well what do you call a child with a penis that from a very young age doesn't want to be a boy, that wants to be a princess, wear pink, plays only with girls, chooses his own female name, wants to wear dresses, plays exclusively with dolls, prams, plastic food and kitchens etc.

Urrmm... you call him your son. My eldest son played with girls, loved dress up - in princess clothes and clip-clop shoes. He always played 'Cooking' at nursery. He asked for a dolls pram at Christmas and joined his friends taking their dolls/teddies for a walk. He also loved wearing beads (the gaudier the better).

This phase lasted for around 2 years. From the age of 3 to around 5 years. All through school he preferred the company of girls. He is 20+ now and very much into rugby. He is definately a mans man. As he teenager he was very much into girls and is now married with his first child on the way. He is very happy and very comfortable in his male skin.

Lots of little boys play cooking, house, dress up etc. At least wait until they have hit their teens before labelling them as "transgender"!

If someone had offered me puberty blocking drugs at the age of 10 or 11 I'd have taken them without hesitation. It's lucky no one did

Idk...some posters might say that you were badgered by society into accepting your female body.

While I completely agree with the the posters saying you would call a boy who likes playing with dolls etc a boy, one bit that has been missed is that the child chose a "girl's name". Would you be as happy to use that as you would be with all the other stuff?