Political correctness gone mad - parents under fire from withdrawing their child from school after male class mate wears a dress.

[ThaiRedCurry]

Ok so just catching up with my mail online news before bed. I've seen a Christian couple have withdrawn their son from school due to his male, 6 year old class mate wearing a dress to school.
They where on This Morning and have come under fire from viewers and the presenters for their decision to remove their son from the school as they don't agree with a boy wearing a dress.
I will just say I would find it a little odd but wouldn't withdraw my child from school.
I can't help but feel that if another race/religion did the same thing they wouldn't come under fire. It's as if white British folk are trying to be so politically correct we no longer can see what is ok and what isn't incase we offend some one.
I feel political correctness has gone mad 😖
I'm now going to sit and wait for Mums net abuse to roll in.

I've worked with one transgender toddler. It can be evident at pre-school age. The parents in no way tried to encourage it, they were very against it and persistently tried to encourage 'correct' gender stereotypes. Everyone was very stressed. They were advised to raise him as a girl. Everyone that knows the child and family support the decision to raise them as their chosen sex. The child is happy now.

I've worked with an intersex child - his parents made the decision to raise him as a boy yet he displays many feminine traits, plays with girls mostly, won't have his hair cut and is developing breasts. He is unhappy. His parents are unhappy.

No wind-up

But you understand that you've conflated the issue of whether clothing types are inherently gendered or if such gender assumptions are the product of socialised norms, with the issue of transgenderism and the stability of biological sex, don't you?

That is a complete misrepresentation of minimum's post hmm

Not really. She obviously thinks that rapists should be allowed in women's prisons because those imprisoned women are somehow less, no?

This has nothing to do with boys wearing dresses.
It has nothing to do with what religion the couple are, thats just a smokescreen being used by the media.

It has everything to do with a magic dress being able to change a boy into a girl.
It has everything to do with magic trousers that can change him back into a boy the next day.
It has everything to do with telling kids they must lie or be punished.
It has everything to do with the little boys parents starting the lie, letting him believe it and forcing others to go along with it.

Why didnt his parents say he could wear a dress if he wanted to but that didnt turn him into a girl? 6 is too young to decide you want to change sex as demonstrated by the fact he wears trousers one day and a dress 'to be a girl' the next day. You can bet all the other kids have to wear the uniform, why does this one kid get to pick and chose? Because of the fuss that is currently going on would then have been blamed on the schools, because they would be seen to be victimising the child instead of just sticking to the uniform rules.

It has everything to do with the school having no backbone to say " erm no he isnt a girl, we cannot teach one thing to children about males and females being different sexes then ask them to ignore that and lie about the sex of another pupil"

This has everything to do with the fact that there is an agenda to convince people that all you need to do to be a woman is to declare yourself one.

We've got it clear that a boy wearing a dress isn't the same as being trans haven't we? That they could happily wear a dress and still be a boy and identify as a boy. Or they could choose to wear trousers and be trans. I don't become trans if put on a trouser suit, it's just clothing. Being trans is not about what clothes you put on.

But I totally agree about no penises in women's prisons, toilets etc. I didn't the this thread was about that though.

I've worked with one transgender toddler

No you haven't. There's no such thing as a 'transgender toddler'.

No, she said women's prisons were not safe. I suspect "safe space" does not actually mean "safe", but she certainly did not suggest that women should be raped while in prison.

They were advised to raise him as a girl

his parents made the decision to raise him as a boy

How do you simply raise a child as a child in a world where we still differentiate between men and women, boys and girls? Where we still have male and female pronouns etc...

That is a complete misrepresentation of minimum's post

Oh, really?

How else do you interpret that "prisons are not a safe place anyway" statement?

We all know that prisons are not as safe as a place people are locked up in against their will should be.
Saying that just because there's problems someone who doesn't want males shower and share cells with women in prison "doesn't have a point" does come across as meaning to say that all virtuous women would rather die than end up in prison, so it doesn't matter.

"Either way, she clearly thinks that those evil women who are in prison deserve nothing less than 24 hours of rape."

And you say that isn't misrepresenting her?

It sounds like some people believe that there is no such thing as 'being in the wrong body' at all.

As I said, I think the nuanced meaning of "safe space" as opposed to "safe" was not picked up. Your response was massively overblown.

There really was/is a historical Jesus who really was a prophet/possibly healer of some sort and didnhave followers. Historians do agree on this. What is not agreed on is the whole son of god and miracles - this most historians believe to have been added later and stories embellished- as you say. The point is tho - there is an historical and factual account of a guy named Jesus and he is linked to the Christian movement- a movement that fully began after his death. Whether you believe the tales later told about this person and of his parentage is another matter. But Jesus is not a made up person - he may well have a lot of stuff made up about him - guess you could say 'based on a true story' in the way Hollywood says it - you know when they take a true story add artistic licence to it but promote it as truth cos you know 'based on....'

TheFallenMadonna

No, she said women's prisons were not safe. I suspect "safe space" does not actually mean "safe", but she certainly did not suggest that women should be raped while in prison.

Well I obviously read it completely different to you

She said the only point I had was regarding a women's refuge. I'm maybe old fashioned but I think women should not be exposed to convicted fucking rapists.

she certainly did not suggest that women should be raped while in prison

She did not openly say so. But genderists never do. They just imply it. And some things she has written lead me to believe that she is in fact a genderist, most of whom condone the rape of female prisoners, even though few ever admit it.

Everyone who wants males to be imprisoned with women is in favour of rape. Rape is what happens when you lock up women with criminal males. It is common sense. We know that men rape men in men's prisons, and that men rape women in the world at large. Only a completely brainless idiot would conclude from this knowledge that putting a man in a women's prison would not result in rape.

And all those violations of women's human rights that are happening right now are based on those laws that require people to pretend that someone can somehow change sex.

It may seem harmless if a 6 year old boy is forced to pretend that his male classmate is actually a girl, but that's where it starts. If a 6 year old boy can become a girl by putting on a dress, then so can a 40 year old rapist. If you believe the one, you must believe the other.

You think she was saying that women in prison deserve nothing less than 24 hours of rape. And forced contraception. And to have their babies removed by the state? Yes, you were reading it differently to me.

orlantina

It sounds like some people believe that there is no such thing as 'being in the wrong body' at all.

People might feel that they are but they're obviously not due to them being in the body they have. It isn't difficult.

Why should I have to play along with someone's delusion?

I've worked with one transgender toddler

No you haven't. There's no such thing as a 'transgender toddler'.

OK. Well what do you call a child with a penis that from a very young age doesn't want to be a boy, that wants to be a princess, wear pink, plays only with girls, chooses his own female name, wants to wear dresses, plays exclusively with dolls, prams, plastic food and kitchens etc.

Maybe it was a few years later in primary school that he was allowed to be a girl but it was evident from a very young age.

Go ahead and look daft then but don't ask my son to start calling your son Mary instead of Mark

I haven't read the whole thread, so don't know who said this or what the context is, but taken by itself, I have to agree. You can be whatever you want to be (none of my business), just don't inconvenience me by insisting that I call you this today and that tomorrow.

We chose to live in a very liberal town because we are very liberal people. DD2, 10 at the time, said that she felt very stressed around a friend who had recently come out as gender-fluid and was demanding that others call them by different names depending on what gender they felt that particular day. DD2 said that gender-fluid friend always wears pants so there was no way of knowing if they are a girl or a boy on a particular day and DD2 was worried of calling them by the wrong name. I just told her to drop the friend. Who has time to cater to such high maintenance precious friend?

Well, I've only read that one post, so no idea whether she is a "genderist" (not sure what that is, apart from someone who condones rape apparently). I read her post, and then yours.

A boy that likes to cook and play with dolls

You think she was saying that women in prison deserve nothing less than 24 hours of rape. And forced contraception. And to have their babies removed by the state? Yes, you were reading it differently to me.

She said that a person who is against males in women's prison doesn't have a point there.

What else could she mean?

All the things I described are the logical outcome of putting males in women's prisons. It is what happens.
If men rape women, women get pregnant, unless you have forced contraception on them beforehand. If women are pregnant, they can either have an abortion, or give birth. Some women are against abortions, but of course, you can still force them to have one if you don't want to deal with babies in prison.

If women are forced to give birth in prison, then there will be lots and lots of babies in prison, many of them unwanted because many women won't want to raise the child of their rapist. So you will have to have a plan on what to do with those babies.

It is not my fault if other people do not think through what they actually imply with their words.

Wot Willow said.

Busy you seem to have missed allll my points.
To summarise: no, I wouldn't ask your DC to call mine by another name, as hopefully by allowing them freedom of expression my DC wouldn't feel the need to swap gender identity to become their true selves.
Mark becoming Mary is a symptom of limiting gender stereotypes.
Allow people freedom from these restricting social constructs and I suspect a lot of people would be a lot happier in the body they were born with.

Heck, a lot of cisgender people would be a hell of a lot happier too. I could let my moustache grow out... (Don't worry Busy, 40 years of gender stereotypes have made me extremely self conscious of my tache and I wouldn't contemplate it for a second. Wouldn't want to look unfeminine would I).

Does it really inconvenience you to call someone by a different name? As I said, I have all sorts of issues around this subject. Inconvenience is not up there...

Neither place is a safe place, whether men or women were there you would be at risk of harm.

But there would be a bloody sight less chance of being rpaed by a man with a fully functioning penis if he wasnt in a womans prison in the first place.

'Jessica Winfield' aka Martin Pontin when it suits him, has been segregated after making unwanted advances on women prisoners. A man, who is stronger and bigger than women, who is proud of his fully functioning penis, a convicted rapist, in a womans prison.... oh its just fine cos its not a 'safe place' after all.