Political correctness gone mad - parents under fire from withdrawing their child from school after male class mate wears a dress.

[ThaiRedCurry]

Ok so just catching up with my mail online news before bed. I've seen a Christian couple have withdrawn their son from school due to his male, 6 year old class mate wearing a dress to school.
They where on This Morning and have come under fire from viewers and the presenters for their decision to remove their son from the school as they don't agree with a boy wearing a dress.
I will just say I would find it a little odd but wouldn't withdraw my child from school.
I can't help but feel that if another race/religion did the same thing they wouldn't come under fire. It's as if white British folk are trying to be so politically correct we no longer can see what is ok and what isn't incase we offend some one.
I feel political correctness has gone mad 😖
I'm now going to sit and wait for Mums net abuse to roll in.

Ipsie
I preferred my brothers toys as a child, I refused to wear skirts, dresses, anything pink. I cut my hair off. I was a complete tomboy but I was happy to be a girl and be known as a girl.

The one transgender child I have experience of, was very consistently not wanting to be a boy. If he was raised in a more gender neutral environment would his sexual identity be different?

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Man who cooks, wearing pink and holding a baby.

As he teenager he was very much into girls and is now married with his first child on the way. He is very happy and very comfortable in his male skin.

And thanks to your irresponsible behaviour, as you didn't get him sterilized in time, he can now father gender non-conforming children. Teh horror!
This might lead to a world where, oh horror, ALL boys like to play with dolls. That would be the end of the world!

(This was sarcasm. Thought I'd mention it. Just to be safe)

one bit that has been missed is that the child chose a "girl's name". Would you be as happy to use that as you would be with all the other stuff?

As long as I don't have to pretend that he's actually a girl?

Hey, I read an entire book series about Artemis Fowl. The boy who is named after a goddess.

The problem is the denial of reality.

Which gender names are is random anyway. Wouldn't even be able to tell with many names.

I wouldn't necessarily think anything much of a child choosing a different name, my kids have gone through periods of insisting they want to be known as something else. If they're being told that their choice of toys are actually girls toys then a female name seems like a logical follow on. Much like my son went through a phase of playing with Marvel stuff and wanted us to call him Loki.

Those posters would be wrong to say that about me - I know you didn't aim that at me... In fact if they did - they would be the badgering ones. If I truly felt I should be male then there would still be a part of my adult self that felt that - so badgered into accepting or not the idea I could finally have a male body would be one I take, the fact I have no desire to explore that option says a lot. To be told I have just been pressured to accept I am female would be insulting in the extreme. And frustrating. The fact I do not conform to 'female' stereotypes to me proves no badgering has taken place or I'd be conforming completely and totally rather than being 'girlie' or 'boyish' when the mood takes - all the while comfortable that I am female.

Has the OP fucked off back to the Daily Fail yet?

It's as if white British folk are trying to be so politically correct we no longer can see what is ok and what isn't incase we offend some one.

What has the colour of anyone's skin got to do with it?

Jesus wept. If I wanted this level if chat I'd -shoot myself go to the comments section of the a newspaper run by right wing bigots.

This is meant to be Mumsnet not racist-idiots-unite-net.

After neatly 10 years here I think it's to the point that the site is so watered down by idiot fuckwits as to be a different thing entirely.

I also raised my daughter gender neutral as far as I was able to.

It's the child's happiness that counts. The transgender child and their parents saw lots of specialists for a few years. It's not that easy to change the sex they are identified by others as.

Paranoid- I did not want to be known as a girl. I wanted to be known as a boy and I loved it when I fooled strangers. By today's views this would get me the label trans gender. Which as an adult is most certainly not what I am.

A person can call themselves/parents can name them any name under the sun it doesnt change their sex.

The guy in the gold hat is called Shirley

Of course there are names common for both sexes, but I'm imagining that's not the case here. More of a John to Jemima, or something...
My cousin had a male alter ego when she was young. Not a case of a girl playing with trucks and the like. She was a boy when she was him. A girl the rest of the time. I was the girl sidekick (which is not ideal of course, but there you go, 1970s...). She is not transgender. And as far as I am aware, male alter ego vanished some 35 years ago.

I even used to say I wanted the same body as my brothers. I was very consistent with this as a child. Like I say - glad not a child today....

The fallen - that was me too. When I was being a boy - I was a boy. I had a boy alter ego.

It's the child's happiness that counts.

But only the transgendered child's happiness, apparently?

What about the children who are punished for saying what they can see right in front of them namely that this child is male? Do they not deserve happiness? Do they not deserve to feel safe?

People don't feel safe if they aren't allowed to speak the truth. They don't feel safe if facts about their body, like biological sex, are treated as fragile and something that could change if they so much as put on a dress.

one bit that has been missed is that the child chose a "girl's name". Would you be as happy to use that as you would be with all the other stuff

Ha! My NDN has two kids. One male (with a willy) who is 4. He calls himself Tara. He does not have a speech problem and "Tara" sounds nothing like his given name. There is a spaniel down the street called Tara tho....just saying :) His 5 year old sister (I am assuming she is a girl as she has a vagina) insists her name is that of her brothers name...

Meanwhile, many moons ago when I was a mere slip of a girl (Are we allowed to say girl/boy these days??) I was a typical tomboy (Is that even a word now?) I grew up with 5 brothers ...I even peed standing up. I used to call myself Andy....nobody else did. Maybe that's why my son liked pink dresses, dolls and cooking when he was a toddler? Oh wait! He was probably mimicking what he saw going on around him....You know like mummy making food, dressing baby sister, putting her in the pram and taking her for a walk....that kind of thing....As the saying goes "Children learn what they live"....

Thank God Transgender wasn't a thing back then. I would sorely have missed carrying my children and being a mum.

Nobody agonised over whether she had been born in the wrong body. And nobody refused to play along with it and insist she was biologically female and thus couldn't be a boy called Simon.

While I completely agree with the the posters saying you would call a boy who likes playing with dolls etc a boy, one bit that has been missed is that the child chose a "girl's name". Would you be as happy to use that as you would be with all the other stuff?

Of course. To a young child a name is just a sound. A little boy who wants to put on a princess dress and be called 'Elsa' is not trans, nor is a little girl who puts on a cowboy costume and calls herself 'Woody'

I wanted to be known as a boy and I loved it when I fooled strangers Me too! I remember being absolutely delighted when I was mistaken for a boy as a teenager. I hated my body and hated having breasts and I was overcome with joy that I had managed to fool someone.

I hated having breasts so much that I used to self harm as a teenager, and I slashed the skin on my breasts with a knife. I'd imagine I was almost the text book example of a child who was unhappy with their 'assigned gender'.

But I'm definitely female, and I'm glad I grew out of that phase. If someone had pumped me full of drugs and taken away my chance to become a mother, I'd be in a very different place today.

There's a transgender child in my dc's class.

It was extremely difficult for dc to get their head around. Firstly basic biology - they can't be a girl, they have a willy! And secondly, all i had been teaching them about feminism and girls can do anything, and so can boys rapidly confused things further- but just because he wears a dress it doesn't make him a girl- you wear trousers and have short hair and you're not a boy.

It just didn't compute. I had to explain that while i actually agreed with what dc were saying, some people either felt inside that they were a girl, or felt that because they liked "girl" stuff they were a girl. And that people could do what they wanted, so if this child wanted to dress up and be called maisie, then why not.

Still couldn't get past the willy thing though.

Ipsie What you and some other posters said about growing up wanting to be of the other sex but are now happy in your biological sex, kind of troubles me. Do you think some transgender kids of today who decide to go through some gender reassigning procedures, are going to regret their decision later?

Yes I do and there are some out there who do.

I was textbook for trans gender as a child. I would be a total mess if I had the opportunities kids have today because I would have taken them and I know now that that would have been a dire mistake.

I can see that my kids would have been a bit confused by it. I would have just said. " oh he's a bit odd, just go along with it" or some such. No need to take your child out of school.
TBH I would have told any child of mine at that age they could wear what they like At home but at school they would be going in trousers.

Me too Ipsie

I shudder at the thought of what is happening to children today who are similar to how I was.

The children in the transgender child's class really weren't that bothered. It was a few of the parents and one of the teachers that were most bothered by it.

I know treacle - it's scary.... the issue of trans gender is too complex to be decided so young. I really feel for the kids of today