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Political correctness gone mad - parents under fire from withdrawing their child from school after male class mate wears a dress.

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ThaiRedCurry · 11/09/2017 22:07

Ok so just catching up with my mail online news before bed. I've seen a Christian couple have withdrawn their son from school due to his male, 6 year old class mate wearing a dress to school.
They where on This Morning and have come under fire from viewers and the presenters for their decision to remove their son from the school as they don't agree with a boy wearing a dress.
I will just say I would find it a little odd but wouldn't withdraw my child from school.
I can't help but feel that if another race/religion did the same thing they wouldn't come under fire. It's as if white British folk are trying to be so politically correct we no longer can see what is ok and what isn't incase we offend some one.
I feel political correctness has gone mad 😖
I'm now going to sit and wait for Mums net abuse to roll in.

OP posts:
orlantina · 11/09/2017 23:15

Why all of a sudden are people keen to make male and female the same. We are different. It's what makes life enriching

If you tell children that boys wear certain clothes and behave in certain ways and that girls wear different clothes and behave in different ways, then some boys who want to do 'girl' things believe that makes them a girl...or vice versa.

Society says boys don't wear dresses but girls do. Boy thinks that must make him a girl because he likes to wear dresses.

School sees boy in a dress. Decides he must be a girl.

EamonnWright · 11/09/2017 23:16

The parents themselves are JWs according to sources. Does make me wonder why they chose such a school. I'm sure it wasn't for the Ofsted rating but then I'm getting rather cynical in my old age.

They live on an island I can't see there being a huge choice.

GirlInterruptedOftenByKids · 11/09/2017 23:16

Online I've known people lynched for the twin crimes of "misgendering" and "deadnaming". It doesn't surprise me that now we're punishing 6yos for doing this. Even if the child in the dress is of no fixed name or gender

VeryCunningStunt · 11/09/2017 23:16

In fact, we were at Disneyland a few weeks ago and she was talking to a boy in the queue who was wearing a princess dress. She never commented once (v proud smile)

And did she believe that wearing a princess dress had caused him to become a girl?

BusyBeez99 · 11/09/2017 23:18

Yes I do think dresses and skirts are for girls. And so do most people - unless one looks on mumsnet where it seems perfectly reasonable for a boy to run round in a dress

EastMidsMummy · 11/09/2017 23:18

We boring normal people just look at someone's body and recognize their actual, physical sex. You know. Whether they have ovaries or testicles. It is surprising how in 90% of cases you can tell that even if the person has clothes on, and you can be sure in 99,9% of cases if they're naked. And without that person answering a single test question! Hey, we don't even need a microscope!

OK, and what do you in those other 10% of cases?

orlantina · 11/09/2017 23:19

Yes I do think dresses and skirts are for girls

What did Jesus wear?

EastMidsMummy · 11/09/2017 23:20

School sees boy in a dress. Decides he must be a girl.

Do you know that's what happened, orlantina?

JonSnowsWife · 11/09/2017 23:20

BUT - and it's a massive but - referring to Adam and James as Anna and Jane and calling them "she" and "her" and "girl" is totally ludicrous and I can see why the parents are calling the school out on this.

They're not calling the school out on that though. They've repeatedly said the issue they have with it is that they weren't consulted.

How exactly would a school go about that? Call everyone in for parent teacher meeting? "Hi. Sam has now decided he wants to be Samantha. You lot have a chat amongst yourselves and if you're not happy about it. We'll kick Samantha out".

The fact this happened two years ago, when they took the eldest out, shows they knew there was a chance this might happen again, so what on earth did they need to be consulted for?

Also if I didn't like my Childs school that much and disagreed with it's ethos I certainly wouldn't keep my other child in! I thought tooth and nail to get DCs out of a school that was not in their best interests.

VforVienetta · 11/09/2017 23:20

Busy Rationally reasonable yes, but we all accept that it's unusual.
I suspect it'd be less unusual if everyone was a bit less uptight about gender crap.

BusyBeez99 · 11/09/2017 23:20

Jesus is a fictional character

Wanderlust1984 · 11/09/2017 23:23

Verycunning, no she didn't comment at all, don't think she even gave it a thought.

Ipsie · 11/09/2017 23:24

No problem boys wearing dresses/skirts and girls trousers.

Can see why a child so young being told a boy is now a girl confusing. ESP as this is not and cannot be the case. They can be told the boy wishes to be called a girl - but the child wishing to be called a girl must accept that not all their class mates will do so and not should they be forced to. That would be too confusing for them. Being told Bill now wants to be Emma and called a girl - I think kids will either accept and do so just because or they'll just think it play and go along with it or they will refuse because in the rigid world of kids - but he's a boy! They would be right to insist that and it would be wrong and confusing for them to be forced to accept something so clearly untrue. Deeper explanations they just won't get at that age.

I have said it before - as a tomboy of the 80's (& I wanted to be called Bill & pretended to be a boy...) am so glad am not a child today - was a tomboy as a young teenager still and I suppose I still am but I'm bloody glad to still have my boobs and vagina!! Dread to think what my understanding parents would have got from the doc for me!!

VforVienetta · 11/09/2017 23:24

Where do you stand on colours Busy?
My 3yo's favourite colours are pink/purple/blue/black, in that order. So when new wellies were needed he chose the hot pink ones.
How can anyone really give a shit what colour wellies a toddler wears? And yet...

JonSnowsWife · 11/09/2017 23:24

They live on an island I can't see there being a huge choice.

I have family on the IOW. My cousin has just moved her son schools quite quickly after he wasn't settling well at his previous school. There's enough choice.

orlantina · 11/09/2017 23:25

Do you know that's what happened

A boy in a dress may just be a boy who likes wearing dresses.

A boy in a dress may be a boy in a dress who likes wearing dresses but thinks he's a girl because society has told him that boys who like dresses are girls.

A boy in a dress may be someone who is 'in the wrong body' and who is doing the best to fit in to what society expects girls to be like and pronouns like 'her' help them feel comfortable.

I don't know at such a young age how you differentiate.

NYConcreteJungle · 11/09/2017 23:26

Yes I do think dresses and skirts are for girls. And so do most people - unless one looks on mumsnet where it seems perfectly reasonable for a boy to run round in a dress

Have you never seen a male in a kilt? A middle Easter man in a long white dress? A priest in a black dress?

PrincessFiorimonde · 11/09/2017 23:26

Though I have to say, OP, that are think you are utterly unreasonable in the way you have phrased your original post.

By referring to 'white British folk ... trying to be so politically correct', blah, blah, blah, were you trying to create a massive bunfight around 'race/religion'?

PrincessFiorimonde · 11/09/2017 23:27
  • that I think
Ipsie · 11/09/2017 23:27

Jesus is not a fictional character- there are historical records that also indicate he was also a prophet and perhaps some sort of healer. Son of god and all the rest - that stuff happened after his death.

paranoidpammywhammy2 · 11/09/2017 23:28

The Christian couple withdrew their sons from a Christian School.

So obviously, the Christian couple are not representing all Christians.

Ignore their religion. It's their own prejudices and ignorance that are at fault.

BusyBeez99 · 11/09/2017 23:29

Colours are a different thing. We are talking about boys wearing skirts and dresses and it being considered accepted.

Although the whole religion slant baffles me too - how can people still be believing that stuff about a higher power.

Userwhocouldntthinkofagoodname · 11/09/2017 23:29

The parents are just extremist bigots bullying a little 6 year old because he wont conform to their religious stereotype. Awful

BusyBeez99 · 11/09/2017 23:30

Ipsie - I've read different - that tales were told and got elaborated and then turned into this healer and then son of a god. It's fiction.

MiniMum97 · 11/09/2017 23:30

Since when was a toilet and a "prison" ffs, a safe place??????? Do you actually read what you write before posting. I personally don't walk into a public toilet and think "aha, here I am safe, excellent, I can stroll around naked, do what I like, no-one can touch me here ha ha ha". And a prison! Sorry but I feel like I would rather die than go to prison, I would be so terrified, how would anyone think that was a safe place! Neither place is a safe place, whether men or women were there you would be at risk of harm. Women's refuges - you have an argument, toilets and prisons, sorry you do not.

For those who have clicked on the "TERF" link that has been posted above you may also be interested in reading this in this interest of balance:

www.huffingtonpost.com/kelsie-brynn-jones/transexclusionary-radical-terf_b_5632332.html

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