Political correctness gone mad - parents under fire from withdrawing their child from school after male class mate wears a dress.

[ThaiRedCurry]

Ok so just catching up with my mail online news before bed. I've seen a Christian couple have withdrawn their son from school due to his male, 6 year old class mate wearing a dress to school.
They where on This Morning and have come under fire from viewers and the presenters for their decision to remove their son from the school as they don't agree with a boy wearing a dress.
I will just say I would find it a little odd but wouldn't withdraw my child from school.
I can't help but feel that if another race/religion did the same thing they wouldn't come under fire. It's as if white British folk are trying to be so politically correct we no longer can see what is ok and what isn't incase we offend some one.
I feel political correctness has gone mad 😖
I'm now going to sit and wait for Mums net abuse to roll in.

Stonewall was very anti trans years ago. And they were running out of money. Now they're everywhere and pro trans. I don't think they can be considered reliable any more.

They are certainly willing to throw lesbians and gay men under the bus. In favour of trans.

They have also included autogynephiles in their list of transgender people.

It's quite breathtakingly arrogant. Campaign to let transwomen use female bathrooms despite the fact that we have included men's sexual fetish of women under that umbrella.

It is my personal opinion that we should not insist on categorising people by their biological sex if they do not want that to happen. Do you honestly disagree with that?

It is my personal opinion that we should not insist on categorising people by their biological sex if they do not want that to happen. Do you honestly disagree with that?

Yeah.

@EamonnWright then you are transphobic. Don't worry, you appear to be in very good company on this forum.

Today 18:09 Polliver

It is my personal opinion that we should not insist on categorising people by their biological sex if they do not want that to happen. Do you honestly disagree with that?

But we Don't do that! Biology does.

Hence urinals in men's bathrooms and Tampax machines in women's.

@EamonnWright then you are transphobic.

Means absolutely nothing to me tbh.

How can you put a man in the category of women? The only thing that makes a woman is her biology. How can a man fit that category, in any way?

Smear tests? Prostate checks?

On the subject of respecting pronouns.

I have a senior colleague who is gay. During an after-work drink, he began referring to friends of his, who are also gay men, and with whom he was displeased, as 'she'.

I asked him why he did this, and he did pull himself up a bit and said it was just habit, and pretty common in his circle (large city) for gay men to refer to each other as she.

So pronouns have power and nuance, and somehow always seem to mean that I end up fucked off with how mine, as a woman - she - is used by others. And when I say others, I guess I'm thinking about mostly men.

Polliver

What is your definition of a woman? That makes sense to you.

It is my personal opinion that we should not insist on categorising people by their biological sex if they do not want that to happen. Do you honestly disagree with that?

Yes, I honestly do disagree with that. Choose to live your life in alignment with the socialised gender that you feel fits you best, by all means. But don't insist that we all accept the lie that biological sex is an irrelevance that can be disregarded or changed at the insistence of the individual.

Today 18:13 Datun

How can you put a man in the category of women? The only thing that makes a woman is her biology. How can a man fit that category, in any way

They can't.

The rest is just birthday card pish about people's feelings.

Ive taught a few young children (primary) who have worn clothes aimed at the opposite gender/sex.

Girls who have worn clothes from the boy's sections and girl who comes to school in a school dress. Some have been more insistent over it than others in terms of being perceived as the opposite sex. Usually they just get on with it.

Without exception the children in the classes - up to Y2 - accept this with no issue whatsoever. Some, children and adults, occasionally get mixed up over if that child is a girl or boy, but it isn't ever a problem. It's just a boy wearing a dress with long hair tied up, or a girl with cropped hair and 'boy's' design clothes.

If any parents have an issue - and we are in a VERY multi cultural area and school, with many religions and many nationalities covered - none have said anything to the child, parents or to school.

Whether the children continue to feel that way as they get older and into juniors, or whether they've change their mind, has varied. I don't know whats happened after primary as school is in a different location.

If the parents feel they need to withdraw their child because of it - let them get on with it. The school, and the remaining pupils, are no doubt better of without them in the school.

EamonnWright

Yeah, I know. And you won't ever get a reasoned argument. You will just get a very grumpy, but that's transphobic.

And a desperate need to categorise people into groups that make no sense, in terms of the categorisation. You might as well just categorise people into blondes and brunettes.

OK, so we shouldn't categorise by sex.

So...a theoretical person who has a vagina, uterus and ovaries wants to find a person with whom they can attempt to procreate using the biological mechanism which has been used to further the species for millennia

How would you describe a person of the category being sought if we don't use female and male, man and woman - because they have been reassigned as words to describe a feeling.

What do you have on offer for people who do not feel they match the gender they were born in.

I can tell you what we don't have on offer any more and that is appropriate mental health support because supposedly that is now transphobic.

Leave them alone and let them be

I think you need to be telling transactivists that tbh. They're the ones who have scared HCP's into withdrawing and/or cutting down on mental health support for people struggling with body dysphoria (which is essentially what gender dysphoria is).

So we have poor mental health and are high risk of self harm and suicide but we're not allowed any counselling specific to our issues.

I'll let you figure that one out.

www.foxnews.com/story/2009/05/20/determined-to-amputate-one-man-struggle-with-body-integrity-identity-disorder.html

Can you explain the difference between this man who wants to remove his leg and has always done so and someone who thinks they're a woman and has always done so? Because they read really similar to me.

Wearing a dress shouldn't be an issue.
Having parents bang on that wearing a dress somehow makes you look like a girl is just wrong.
Genetic males are just that, and while people might wish to change sex it won't make it so. It is very sad if there is a suicide risk but I canny help feeling this is exacerbated by lying to people able what they can do about it.
Encouraging kids to follow whatever nonsense is in there head is quite sinister.
When they are late teens I can understand it, but small kids? I'd be looking into what is going on at home.

Don't worry, you appear to be in very good company on this forum.

I wish people would stop shouting "transphobia!" whenever someone disagrees with trans ideology. It belittles and minimises what transphobia actually is.

I still have the scar on my forehead after I was bottled in a pub for being a "revolting tranny". Now that was transphobia.

People being gender critical, wanting to keep certain places single sex and believing that biological sex is important is not transphobia.

IAmEatingACurry I have seen a few posts about the lack of mental health support for trans people - mainly from people struggling with these issues or from parents who are desperate for help and seem to be able to get nothing beyond "transition your child"

The reasons for people feeling like this are so complex and it really does need very specific treatment to identify how best to help, but instead you get people shouting about "conversion therapy" so few are brave enough to work in this space or look at any other routes.

The arenas where biological sex should matter are pretty limited in my view . But the arenas where it does matter ( e.g. sport, places where persons are fully or partially unclothed, medical treatment) it is crucial. Anyone who doesn't understand that is stupid and anyone who pretends not to is a misogynist

I wish MN had a 'like' facility. I'd 'like' this post until my finger fell off

Polver

Do you have any scientific basis that says a 6 yr old who dresses as a boy one day and a girl the next is definately desperate to let the world know that he wants to be a girl for life?

Kids go through many phases as they grow up, waiting until they are sure is not only the sesnible option but the kindest option. Setting a child on an irreversible course of hormone therapy before they are sure themselves is just projecting your opinions that any child who does non stereotypical things is obviously wanting to be the opposite sex. This not only is BS but has proved to be wrong on many occaisions.

If playing with the 'wrong' toys or dressing up in the 'srong' clothes'was the baseline to say someone was trans then all the kids I have ever minded for many a year were trans. Funnily enough none of them are so far.

And I am sorry but if I had a daughter and she was forced to change in front of a boy who had declared himself a 'girl' despit a fully functioning penis which made her feel uncomfortable I would have something to say to it.

Have you seen the video where girl students were made to feel responsible for ADULT MEN teasing a trans 'girl' because they didnt want to share a 'women only' space with them. This is the kind of bollocks our kids are being taught. That its always the womans fault, always their responsibility to be the tolerant, accepting person and save everyone from the shitty behaviour of boys and men and to accept anything that the transactivists throw at us cos we are obviously a sub species as we dont have the 'feels' of a woman. Thats BS of the first degree.

Tell me what does it 'feel like' to be a woman?
Cos I am one and dont have a bloody clue.

I do think that these particular parents (the superstitious, homophobic, transhating ones) have done themselves and their own DC no favours.
It's quite likely that the school was not forcing all the kids to line up and recite 'You are whatever you say you are' every morning, and that the majority of kids were as accepting of the possibly-trans child as they would be of a classmate who came in wearing a space suit or who wanted to be a horse all playtime. Kids, if raised by reasonable, open-minded parents, are not all that fussed about what other people do. And open-minded, reasonable schools (definitely at primary level) would do any gender-nonconforming child far more going by just letting them get on with wearing what they want to wear, preventing bullying and teaching them their school work.
For small children, surely, let them identify however they want and don't worry - it's the ones who are either forbidden to touch the gender-inappropriate stuff or immediately labelled as trans, who end up with the issues. We would all be a LOT better off if gender was treated as completely irrelevant to little children.