Political correctness gone mad - parents under fire from withdrawing their child from school after male class mate wears a dress.

[ThaiRedCurry]

Ok so just catching up with my mail online news before bed. I've seen a Christian couple have withdrawn their son from school due to his male, 6 year old class mate wearing a dress to school.
They where on This Morning and have come under fire from viewers and the presenters for their decision to remove their son from the school as they don't agree with a boy wearing a dress.
I will just say I would find it a little odd but wouldn't withdraw my child from school.
I can't help but feel that if another race/religion did the same thing they wouldn't come under fire. It's as if white British folk are trying to be so politically correct we no longer can see what is ok and what isn't incase we offend some one.
I feel political correctness has gone mad 😖
I'm now going to sit and wait for Mums net abuse to roll in.

Not sure who you are talking too *cueless

But the thing most of us object to us the concept of a birth gender!

And biology is not old fashioned or intolerant, it's just fact. Requiring that people live according to a set of cultural norms which have become the expectations of people with that biology...that's old fashioned.

You can try to do away with the current "definitions" and make man and woman mean something less tangible, something defined by feelings rather than fact. But the words will only be replaced by some other way of identifying the same thing. It's even happened with the god awful "cis" - I have seen trans people saying that post transition, they are now "cis".

A lot of transgender children do commit suicide over feeling of rejection.

No they don't. Until last week, they haven't been any, not one, in the UK.

And even the one last week wasn't because they were trans. It's because their mother died.

What do you have on offer for people who do not feel they match the gender they were born in. Suicide, bullying, gay correction therapy? Leave them alone and let them be. It is not your struggle. Nobody own moral righteousness.

The whole thing is chilling. It feels like we are moving to a wholesale eradication of gender - you can now apparently choose to be whatever you want to be, regardless of what you were born as.

Datun 41 percent suicide rate among transgender people is more than 25 times the rate of the general population, which is 1.6 percent. And among trans people ages 18-44, the suicide attempt rate was 45 percent.

Cueless, try reading the thread. That's not what anybody has said. Not even remotely.

It is my business, I don't want to be bullied into myself and my family being gaslighted.

I suppose it's not my business that parents are chemically castigating and in my opinion psychologically abusing children who may be trans, autistic or gay, it upsets me greatly, along with the schools that psychologically abuse their classmates.

@Datun I feel that you engage with this in a much different way than I do. You seem hell bent on stirring up conflict within the LGBT community, and that is not what I'm about at all. I am aware of the ideas that you mention, and to be honest think that most of them are hysterical and overblown. We should be trying to accept people for who they are, not causing division where is just doesn't need to be. Trans is just as a legitimate part of LGBT+ as all the other letters.

Woulen't bother me, its not affecting my child's education and their well being.

cueless big sections of the current trans movement, particularly in regards to organisations like Mermaids, is gay conversion therapy. Better a straight trans daughter than a sissy gay son, right? That's what a lot of this is about.

Many of the people who are being called transphobic are gay or bi, and are horrified by the way lesbians and bi women are being treated under trans ideology.

Suicide occurs more when there are bullying going on

Trans is just as a legitimate part of LGBT+ as all the other letters

Why? Genuine question. What links the letters?

@ArcheryAnnie that has not been my experience at all.

@multivac identity. Whether that is sexuality or gender.

Today 17:11 cueless

What do you have on offer for people who do not feel they match the gender they were born in. Suicide, bullying, gay correction therapy? Leave them alone and let them be. It is not your struggle. Nobody own moral righteousness.

You do what feminists have been trying to do for bloody decades. You tell them they can identify any gender they like, any time, any day, any where. And that should be respected and accepted.

You don't tell them it changes their sex. If this is a crippling thought, then they need a different kind of treatment. You can't make
people do it.

Someone's family might do it, but then they leave the house, shopkeepers, bus conductors, children, dates. You can't force an entire population to deny the evidence of their own eyes.

I've seen many transwomen who say their friends do use the correct pronouns and treat them as the opposite sex, but they can still tell. They don't want the women to talk about miscarriages, abortions etc, because they can't join in and it makes them feel excluded. Then they get annoyed when the women say we will talk about it when you're not here. Because that makes then feel excluded.

You can't be excluded from something that doesn't apply to you!

Claiming you are the opposite sex is a never ending path of pain. People simply know it's not true. It's not that we don't understand it's that we disagree.

I think it is the issue. If the school who agree with the parents that this 'boy' is not to wear a dress then it is potentially on child likely to go down the suicide route. Their little one might just be as distressed seeing a disabled boy getting changed in PE.

www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/19/young-transgender-suicide-attempts-survey

There are lots of places In the world where where anyone who isn't gender conforming heterosexual will find life very difficult. And we should sell be campaigning for equality of pportuniy and freedom of expression. And I will stand shoulder to shoulder with transpeope in their fight to live their lives as they want to- up to the point where their rights impinge on my rights. The rights that women have been fighting and dying for for generations. I do not want to share a small room in a rape crisis centre with somebody with a fully functioning penis. I see no reason why an elderly woman in a care home should have her intimate care attended to by a woman nurse with facial hair and a penis if she doesn't want to. I see no reason why woman athletes should train for years, only to be beaten by someone who until last year was training as a man. These are real issues, and there are many more. There are ways round them. But the ways round can't be found if we have to pretend they don't exist, and if those of us that are perfectly happy for transpeople to take their place in the world, are silenced as transphobic if we try to raise them.

cueless

No it wasn't. Google under 18 trans suicide in this country. There aren't any. Well one, from last week.

Mermaids claimed a study had interviewed trans 2000 people and then manipulated the statement to make it look as though 41% had considered suicide.

In actual fact only 27 of those were trans. Eight of whom had considered suicide. Even the authors of study said you could not rely on the statistics because it was self-selecting (so they were all still alive), it was disseminated to people who would already be having issues, and they thought that suicidal thoughts could include incidences of self harm. And none of the reports were checked.

There is no doubt that trans-people have a higher level of mental health issues. There is equally no doubt that transitioning doesn't help them. The suicide rate actually peaks 10 years after transition.

Online I've known people lynched for the twin crimes of "misgendering" and "deadnaming".

Not just online. My mate was given a written warning for referring to recently transitioned colleague by their pre-transition name and pronouns, when referring to some stuff that had happened prior to their transition.

It was a complete slip of the tongue, she's known the person for years, long before they were colleagues, and just got in a bit of a muddle when referring to them in a historical context. She's also probably the least anything-phobic person I've ever known.

Pretty tough, I thought.

@multivac identity. Whether that is sexuality or gender

But 'identity' covers a myriad of concepts. Why put sexuality and gender together but not, say, 'tribe'? Young people who identify as 'emo' for example, are at a higher risk than their peers of exclusion, bullying and violence - hence the existence of the Sophie Lancaster Foundation. Why is there no E in there?

Claiming you are the opposite sex is a never ending path of pain I think that's the saddest part of all.

cueless

I know you are coming from a good place. No-one wants to see our youngsters distressed. Trans or otherwise.

That article you posted quotes the PACE survey I mentioned above.

The link below analyses the actual survey. Not the spin that was put on it.

www.transgendertrend.com/a-scientist-reviews-transgender-suicide-stats/

I've read Bertrands post through three times and yes I thoroughly agree.
I also do not want to be confronted by a dick in a ladies changing room, why should I be?
I also have rights.

Today 17:16 Polliver

@Datun I feel that you engage with this in a much different way than I do. You seem hell bent on stirring up conflict within the LGBT community, and that is not what I'm about at all. I am aware of the ideas that you mention, and to be honest think that most of them are hysterical and overblown. We should be trying to accept people for who they are, not causing division where is just doesn't need to be. Trans is just as a legitimate part of LGBT+ as all the other letters.

Believe me, it's not me who is stirring up trouble in the LGB community.

You don't have to take my word for it. Google any lesbian gathering, and see if it's still going.

I don't know what country you're in, but google any erstwhile lesbian bar, and see if it's still in business.

Take a look at Riley J Dennis, who is paid to make videos telling lesbians that the sexual preference is transphobic.

You don't have to take my word for it. But if you are interested in and supportive of diversity, I would think you owe it to yourself to check out what I'm saying.