Political correctness gone mad - parents under fire from withdrawing their child from school after male class mate wears a dress.

[ThaiRedCurry]

Ok so just catching up with my mail online news before bed. I've seen a Christian couple have withdrawn their son from school due to his male, 6 year old class mate wearing a dress to school.
They where on This Morning and have come under fire from viewers and the presenters for their decision to remove their son from the school as they don't agree with a boy wearing a dress.
I will just say I would find it a little odd but wouldn't withdraw my child from school.
I can't help but feel that if another race/religion did the same thing they wouldn't come under fire. It's as if white British folk are trying to be so politically correct we no longer can see what is ok and what isn't incase we offend some one.
I feel political correctness has gone mad 😖
I'm now going to sit and wait for Mums net abuse to roll in.

@Lemonjello well, to me, her, and everyone else that cares about her, she is a girl. That's how she sees herself, and how she chooses to live. Hopefully by the time she grows up, people will be more tolerant, and will be able to see past their own prejudices

Not a single person has ever been able to answer what a woman feels like. Woman and man aren't a feeling, they're a biological fact.

I have never heard a description of feeling like a woman which doesn't revolve around gender stereotypes.

As I say, live how you want, dress how you want, choose whatever name you want. I will actually even use your chosen pronouns just because it's polite to do so although if you expected me to chop and change daily I'd be telling you to bugger off. But I won't believe you are a "real woman" (i.e. an adult female) because you aren't. And I don't believe children should be subject to a school policy which demands that they believe this is true.

Primary school children tend to do everything together including getting changed for PE. Our girls (upper primary) used to get changed separately because of privacy. So now a child with a male body has to get changed with them. How do the girls feel? How does the child feel?

Polliver, there's no consensus that there's any such thing as "innate gender" - there's no objective evidence that it exists at all. People self-report having an innate gender, of course, but people also self-report not having it, just as people self-report having souls and other people just as vehemently self-report not having a soul as they have seen no evidence that such a thing exists.

There is socially imposed gender - something that many women experience as an oppression. Insisting that women comply with something that oppresses them is something that affects their human rights.

Morans?

"Hopefully by the time she grows up, people will be more tolerant, and will be able to see past their own prejudices"

Yes, hopefully people will entirely switch off their critical faculties and accept like sheep that a boy is really a girl.

Catholics get ridiculed for believing in the transformation of bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ through transubstantiation. But we're all supposed to just swallow that a boy putting on a dress transforms him into a girl, as opposed to a just a boy wearing a dress, perhaps because he wants to challenge gender stereotypes, perhaps because he fancied wearing a dress? Sod that.

Good post stat

Polliver, I think you're trying to change the definition of 'gender'.

You need a different word.

Assigned So you think there's nothing wrong with people who spit at muslims and daub obscenities on their place of worship. Of course they are morons, what would you call them, or is it because i dared to spell moron wrong in my earlier post. I'm shocked that that should upset you.

That will be my last word on the subject because I'm supposed to be making a chicken pie, not arguing on the Internet. Before I go, I just want to say that those of you who are so utterly focused on genetic material...what about focusing on the person instead? We are so much more than our X and Y chromosomes, and if one of my friends decides that they want to live as another sex, then that is what they are. Kindness and tolerance is more important that quibbling over semantics and technicalities. Right - pie.

For the love of god, that's what we're bloody saying - that your genetic material doesn't define you in the vast majority of ways.

It's just that you believe you have to change sex to live how you want, where as those of us who disagree think your sex shouldn't matter a flying fig.

But we don't believe that conditioning children to believe that they need to be/"live as" a particular sex to look/dress/act a particular way is remotely kind.

Actually I was replying to your post to Jon where you were agreeing that all was about 'diversity' was good and those who disagreed were morons, which would be many on this thread. I'm all for diversity, but the trans ideology is dangerous, particularly to children.

If I misread your meaning, I do apologise. I don't normally pick on spelling errors but reading that I was a moron for challenging the trans ideology did piss me off somewhat.

Hopefully by the time she grows up, people will be more tolerant, and will be able to see past their own prejudices

And we can burn all the biology textbooks and dance around the flames, whooping that the facts of physiology were all a massive jape. Woo hoo!!

Kindness and tolerance is more important that quibbling over semantics and technicalities.

I wonder if you will hang on to this sunny attitude when confronted with a person with a beard and an erection in a women's changing room, Polliver, who tells you to choke on "her" dick if you challenge them. All the pie in the world won't make the disappearance of women-only spaces acceptable or safe.

(And if you don't believe me about the beard and the dick-choking, just google "Danielle Muscato".)

You seem to have a very outdated idea of what trans activism and trans rights are, alas.

what about focusing on the person instead? We are so much more than our X and Y chromosomes

I agree absolutely, they should be inconsequential to how a person chooses to live their life. Except in circumstances when they are relevant. And then they are relevant for a very good reason, and we need to be able to discuss them openly.

No that wasn't me assigned, never said that. The morons i was referring to were the "mindless" ones who daub places of worship and spit at people in the street. You've got me mixed up with someone else obviously.

Alpineway looking back I think you've cross posted with a second post by Jon...there was a post about Muslims being blown up, then one about inclusivity, then your post. I think you meant to answer the first one but timing made it look like you were answering:

"but it still wouldn't make them wrong that it's unfair to expect their child to conform with the expectations the school is setting around identity.

Their expectations being one of inclusivity? Embracing diversity of all kinds?"

So it looked you were calling a different group morons to the one you intended, I think.

Yes i think you're right.

You don't need to understand it to respect it.

If somebody wants to live their life as a different sex than the one they are born with, who has the right to point at them as say 'man in a dress, not a woman'? Whether they have decided to have surgery or not, I think that we owe people the respect to consider them as the sex they feel that they are. I know a few transgender people, and as far as I am concerned they are the sex they choose to be.

Because we are talking about a 6 yr old boy who has no clue about what is male and female or trans yet nor what his options are as he gets older. Which could be disasterous if his parents send him on the trans route and he changes his mind.

Because a 6yr old boy whos parents have told him he is a girl is being lied to.
Because just wearing a dress does not make you a biological girl which is what this boy has been told.
Because this 6 yr old wears trousers too and is treated by his parents as a boy then. How confusing is that for him? Its like playing dress up with a doll, its not fair on him or the other kids at school nor the teachers.

So you are protesting about something you have not actually read properly.
The child is not identifying as a girl all the time, they change their mind with their clothes. That is not the sign of someone who is 100% convinced they are 'in the wrong body' that is the sign of a child who wants to do things both boys and girls do and is being pigeonholed into being'trans'. All kids play with every kind of toy, doesnt mean they want to change sex, all kids dress up in a variety of clothes, all kids emulate their parents and act that out with dolls, kitchens etc it doesnt mean they want to change sex. That is imposing what you think they want to do on them as a parent. The kid is not old enough to decide this so a parent has decided for them and that is wrong.

If you have a brain you need to understand it to respect it. Otherwise we would all follow like sheep. There is a lot of things I understand but don't respect.