Political correctness gone mad - parents under fire from withdrawing their child from school after male class mate wears a dress.

[ThaiRedCurry]

Ok so just catching up with my mail online news before bed. I've seen a Christian couple have withdrawn their son from school due to his male, 6 year old class mate wearing a dress to school.
They where on This Morning and have come under fire from viewers and the presenters for their decision to remove their son from the school as they don't agree with a boy wearing a dress.
I will just say I would find it a little odd but wouldn't withdraw my child from school.
I can't help but feel that if another race/religion did the same thing they wouldn't come under fire. It's as if white British folk are trying to be so politically correct we no longer can see what is ok and what isn't incase we offend some one.
I feel political correctness has gone mad 😖
I'm now going to sit and wait for Mums net abuse to roll in.

Ah! Ok. Trouble is they sounded really bigoted. That's the issue. I do agree with those of you who disagree with calling a male bodied human a female. I find THAT dangerous. Absolutely.

The way forward is to teach society the distinct difference between sex and gender. Most people align their assigned biological sex with gender norms. Some don't. I think it's very easily explainable to kids.

Telling kids they can change biological sex with a dress or a haircut is wrong. That results in more sexism toward women. People bought into Caitlin Jenner saying she had a female brain because she liked caring for others and shopping and wearing a dress.

Fuck off. Shopping, caring for people and wearing a dress does not make up my womanhood and a man saying that shit reinforces bullshit stereotypes.

But if you don't fancy being told a dress makes you a girl and a crew cut makes you a boy I'm all for it.

Yes, I've always made the distinction between biological sex and gender and am now very surprised by how much the two are being conflated.

I've always thought that when I was born, my sex was observed from the appearance of my body. And I know the doctor got it right, because everything I was told as a child about how my body would change, and the things it would be capable of, turned out to be correct.

But after my sex was observed, society also assigned me a gender, which is a social code of behaviour and attitudes dictating how I'm "supposed" to be, and how I'm treated. And I don't accept my assigned gender at all. But I'm not trans. I'm a feminist.

differentevertime. I think I love you.

Seriously though, that is my exact point and you've put it perfectly.

It will be interesting to watch how some liberals tie themselves up in knots to avoid seeming either transphobic or Islamophobic

I agree, but they're absolutely fine to say whatever they like about Christianity. Why are there such double standards, especially when you consider that the majority of atrocious terror attacks here and across the globe are done in the name of Islam., and yes we know that the majority of Muslims are peaceful, but Christians come under attack for just being Christian and sometimes making a (peaceful) stand for what they believe in. Are Christians going round blowing kids up? But if you say anything you're Islamophobic?? Doesn't make sense.

Ditto differenteverytime. There are bits of the Woman's Code of Conduct which I do appear to follow, but there are just as many that I don't and that's because I'm just me, an individual picking and choosing how they want to live their own life. That's what I want for my daughter and her peers - to pick and choose what she wants to do and how she wants to behave regardless of her sex. But whatever set of behaviours she grows in to she will always be female and it's part of my job to help her to understand that and that it only defines her in one specific sense - ie biologically.

I'd actually go as far as to argue that allowing children to confuse gender with biological sex is the opposite of liberalism. If we have to acknowledge the incorrect biological sex because someone is dressed in clothes that do not match their traditional gender norms, we are telling girls, categorically that wearing dresses, pink, frilly stuff is what makes them a girl. It reduces them to what they wear. Ditto for boys.

That's stereotyping and backwards isn't it?

What I am angry about and I find bigoted is the attitude 'let boys dress as boys and girls dress as girls or they will get confused'

No, let them dress how they want and let boys know it is perfectly ok to have a penis, be male and don a frock. Perhaps then we wouldn't have so many kids wanting to change their bodies surgically to fit in with gender norms.

I'd actually go as far as to argue that allowing children to confuse gender with biological sex is the opposite of liberalism.

Without wanting to sound like a mutual appreciation act, I totally agree, street.

To take your kid out of school because a boy wants to wear a dress is pathetic

You are still seriously missing the issue here.

Its not because he wants to wear a dress.
Its because one day he wants to wear a dress so must be called a girl. The next day he wants to wear trousers so must be called a boy.

The kids who are confused by his apparent sex changes have been told they must refer to him in a dress as a girl or they will be punished.

That is bullying the other kids because the boys parents are being so P.C. that they are happy to allow this boy to believe that changing your clothes changes your sex.

What he is going to think when he grows up is anyones guess. Maybe he will think that his parents should have parented him properly and explained that he can wear a dress if he wants but he is still as much a boy as when he wears trousers. Not fill his head with confusing bs. This kid is far to young to understand what will happen to him if his parents send him down the trans route and how it could end up reversible before he even knows himself who he wants to be, but thats ok cos his parents are cool with the whole gender fluid thing and everyone else is a bigot not concerned about this boys future in the slightest

irreversable not reverable

Seems we have crossed posts willow17. I confessed i got muddled up having been confused with the kid on This Morning and the story. My bad.

differenteverytime

Excellent posts.

totally agrere with you op.

and does anyone tell Muslim men a lot of them wear ''dresses'' .

No, only in christianity as always.

but there go the posters who shout rascism if anyone dares mention the ''I'' word.

and Im sure there must be other religions that have teachings about similar things.

Good for those parents for standing up for their beliefs. wether I agree with them or not is the fact they are not willing to go PC madness . freedom of speech and beliefs run to everyone.

willow excellent post.

Paranoid

I've worked with one transgender toddler. It can be evident at pre-school age. The parents in no way tried to encourage it, they were very against it and persistently tried to encourage 'correct' gender stereotypes.

Aaaarrrrggghhhh! How can you be so obtuse? You even call them stereotypes! Do you honestly not understand how badly you have failed that child?

Lemonjello

"They persistently tried to encourage 'correct' stereotypes"

There's the problem. If the child believed their assigned biological sex could wear the clothes they wanted and there were no 'correctly gendered clothes', they wouldn't have wanted to change their biology.

Steertface

Exactly! Did anyone try that? Of course they didn't! They persistently encouraged the child to conform. That's exactly the problem.

It's really no surprise that a lot of transgender people come from backgrounds where gender stereotypes are rigourously enforced.

I wonder if there is really anyone that believes that, for example, the little girl who dressed in boys clothing and asked to be referred to as a boy, would actually want to have a penis if all the biological boys in his class dressed in skirts and pink frilly stuff and the girls wore the same stuff as she did i.e. crew cut hair, trousers and a shirt?

Of course not surely? She would be happy that being a girl meant she could wear all that because she hates all the silly pink frilly stuff that boys wear. She would happily remain a girl. The only reason she asks her mum when she's 'getting a willy' is because she knows her preferences about the way she looks is not gender conformist.

This is why gender norms need to be challenged, NOT our understanding of biological sex. It would save a lot of kids from going through unnecessary surgery.

Ffs it's only clothes.

Completely agree streetface

It seems Pandora's box is now well and truly open.

I've just been reading about the statistics. Specically the number of under 18s who have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

If the figures are correct, you would be seeing 37 children per year being referred to places like the Tavistock. When in fact it is currently 2000 a year.

Something else is going on. Whether the children themselves consider that they are trans, due to social contagion/online encouragement, or whether the parents are just mystified by gender nonconformity, who knows.

But one thing is for sure, if sterility, compromised sexual function and a lifelong reliance on untested drugs is the outcome, this is where the resources, funding and attention should be diverted. Not sending packs to school implying that questioning the ideology is bigoted.

I find it incredible that in 2017 people still can't see harmful stereotypes for what they are. Granted, they are very heavily ingrained in everyone, and you do have to work hard and be aware enough to try and counteract them, but it is obvious from this thread that some people are still blinkered and really believe that 1. There is a problem if a child does not conform to these stereotypes and 2. That the 'solution' is to try and persistently enforce the correct stereotypes on the child and then 3. If that didn't work the child should be sterilised. That's blunt but it is exactly what's happening.

How can anyone be sure, that the parents aren't bonkers and secretly wanted a girl and are influencing the child?

Might sound far fetched, but I had a female friend in the 70's, whose parents had desperately wanted a boy....she was forced to wear boys clothes and even Y-front pants. I'd call that abuse, tbh.

My daughter's best mate had, for a time, a male alter-ego. She wanted a different name, she dressed "male" and she cut her hair very short. After about a year (they were about seven or eight) DD's friend reverted back to her birth name, which is feminine, and said to DD she was a girl again. What changed her mind, I don't know, but it was water off a duck's back to DD. She just loved her friend regardless, and still does.