Political correctness gone mad - parents under fire from withdrawing their child from school after male class mate wears a dress.

[ThaiRedCurry]

Ok so just catching up with my mail online news before bed. I've seen a Christian couple have withdrawn their son from school due to his male, 6 year old class mate wearing a dress to school.
They where on This Morning and have come under fire from viewers and the presenters for their decision to remove their son from the school as they don't agree with a boy wearing a dress.
I will just say I would find it a little odd but wouldn't withdraw my child from school.
I can't help but feel that if another race/religion did the same thing they wouldn't come under fire. It's as if white British folk are trying to be so politically correct we no longer can see what is ok and what isn't incase we offend some one.
I feel political correctness has gone mad 😖
I'm now going to sit and wait for Mums net abuse to roll in.

A child of 6 shouldn't be pressured into dresses etc.
What a pile of shite, I think these parents want noteriety

streetface - the child on this morning with Holly and Phil was not the one concerned in this case. They just wheeled out a mother and child to protest at the couple's views yesterday.

@Streetface Dexter, the child on This Morning today, was not the child from the school yesterday. They had nothing to do with anything from yesterday other than the mother contacted This Morning because she was 'outraged' by the other parents.

Is it entirely possible that these specific parents are bigots? Yes it is. However that doesn't actually negate the issue that small children shouldn't be subject to an anti bullying policy which tells them they must believe that a boy can be a girl or vice versa.

The parents religious beliefs and potential wider bigotry - which may or may not exist - is kind of irrelevant. Unfortunately it's what the issue has become about rather than the underlying problem.

The parents religious beliefs and potential wider bigotry - which may or may not exist - is kind of irrelevant. Unfortunately it's what the issue has become about rather than the underlying problem.

Exactly. Insisting children have to lie about medical facts or face punishment isnt something I want my children taught and I am not any religion at all, I dont need to be to see this is wrong.

Yes, it's pretty convenient that the parents whose objections have been so loudly publicised happen to be Christian, and not especially articulate when put on the spot. That type of person is particularly liable to be dismissed as a bigot by many liberal-leaning people. But the Christian aspect of this is a smokescreen, and the waters are also being muddied by the reports making out that it's about 'a boy in a dress'.

Interestingly, I know a trans person who hugely objected to this having been broadcast as it 'gave a platform to the bigots'. I don't know what the general reaction was amongst trans people, though.

Yes agree with you both, Stats and differenteverytime.

Yes, it's pretty convenient that the parents whose objections have been so loudly publicised happen to be Christian, and not especially articulate when put on the spot. That type of person is particularly liable to be dismissed as a bigot by many liberal-leaning people. But the Christian aspect of this is a smokescreen, and the waters are also being muddied by the reports making out that it's about 'a boy in a dress'.

Agreed. Very very convenient

I wonder what would happen if a Muslim parent objected to their daughter being forced to change with a boy who 'is now a girl'? (I also wonder whether that is going to happen? I am not religious and don't know as much as I should about Islam.)

differenteverytime: I really do hope we get a case like that soon. It will be interesting to watch how some liberals tie themselves up in knots to avoid seeming either transphobic or Islamophobic.

The current transagenda is to shut down debate or dissent at all costs, by saying it is a "platform for the bigots". You don't have to be a bigot to know that you can't change sex, that a man isn't a woman just because he thinks he feels like one, or to take issue with sending children on a social and medical trajectory that ends in infertility and lifelong hormonal treatment. Unless you believe in the whole pink/blue thing, the "born in the wrong body" narrative, and accept that male rapists/child murderers can therefore become women who belong in womens' prisons, then you are a bigot? Yeah right.

How can this kid even be considered trans? You can't be in the wrong body one day and in the right body the next!

If anything, he sounds like a gender nonconforming kid. In a religious school. Which probably is far more accepting of gender stereotypes than a non-religious school. Maybe his natural non-conformity is being shoehorned into a trans-identity as that's more acceptable to his (presumably religious) parents? He is six years old, right?

I suspect, once again, gender non-conformity, non-binary and transgender are all getting confused.

But let's say the kid was transgender. Is he going to be told in biology lessons that he can get pregnant? If not, why not?

Or will he be attending the lessons which advises him on how he might get someone of the opposite sex pregnant? How's that gonna go down? You're a girl, right up until the point, when you're obviously not.

Will the teachers be sent on a disciplinary course, because they are teaching this boy about his male biology. Or will they be told that that's fine, but all the children in the class have to pretend or they will be disciplined.

That's the trouble with a belief system.

It would be interesting (but as I said I don't know enough about it). Because at the moment it sounds an awful lot like: 'Little boys can turn into little girls by wearing dresses. Look! These bigots don't like it. But all nice proper-thinking people will be supportive.'

How can this kid even be considered trans? You can't be in the wrong body one day and in the right body the next!

If anything, he sounds like a gender nonconforming kid. In a religious school. Which probably is far more accepting of gender stereotypes than a non-religious school. Maybe his natural non-conformity is being shoehorned into a trans-identity as that's more acceptable to his (presumably religious) parents? He is six years old, right?

I suspect, once again, gender non-conformity, non-binary and transgender are all getting confused.

But let's say the kid was transgender. Is he going to be told in biology lessons that he can get pregnant? If not, why not?

Or will he be attending the lessons which advises him on how he might get someone of the opposite sex pregnant? How's that gonna go down? You're a girl, right up until the point, when you're obviously not.

Will the teachers be sent on a disciplinary course, because they are teaching this boy about his male biology. Or will they be told that that's fine, but all the children in the class have to pretend or they will be disciplined.

That's the trouble with a belief system.

The current transagenda is to shut down debate or dissent at all costs, by saying it is a "platform for the bigots". You don't have to be a bigot to know that you can't change sex, that a man isn't a woman just because he thinks he feels like one, or to take issue with sending children on a social and medical trajectory that ends in infertility and lifelong hormonal treatment. Unless you believe in the whole pink/blue thing, the "born in the wrong body" narrative, and accept that male rapists/child murderers can therefore become women who belong in womens' prisons, then you are a bigot? Yeah right.

Apparently trans rights trumps a womans right not to be stuck in a confined space with a rapist.

A 6yr old boy wearing a dress and being addressed as a her is ridiculous

I agree about Christianity being under attack. Once again any Christian who makes a stand against their beliefs, (as other religions do for far pettier things) they are ridiculed and name called. No other religion gets treated this way. The parents made a stand against the absolute ridiculousness of a child who is allowed to swap and change between being a boy or a girl, (possibly sending a massive precedent) and expecting fellow pupils to accept it.

If he's a boy who decides he wants to be a girl, (hardly likely to know that at his age) he can choose to dress how he likes when he's older but the parents have no right to inflict their agenda bullshit on to other kids.

My apologise, I understood it incorrectly. I thought the thread was about the woman and her kid on This Morning.

No way do I think men calling themselves women should be using female safe spaces. I just don't see these issues as the same though.

One is an issue of biological sex. The other is a little kid who doesn't fancy living in gender stereotypes.

Is a woman in a suit and boots, short hair and no make up less of a woman than a man in a dress? Absolutely not. Biological sex isn't determined by items of clothing.

To take your kid out of school because a boy wants to wear a dress is pathetic. When he goes through puberty and wants to bring his penis into the girls loos, then I'd take a different view.

I'm not religious, but I think that the fact the most publicised stand at this stage has been made by fundamentalist Christians is already being used very deliberately to discredit all objections. I'd even wonder whether it's an attempt by MSM to soften the public view towards the transing of children.

street, that's the point. They didn't take their child out "because of a boy in a dress". It's being slanted by the media to look like that. They took him out because their child is being forced to say that boy is now a girl. But they aren't very articulate when interviewed and are also fundamentalist Christians. They may also object to boys wearing dresses, but that isn't what's going on here.

streetface

I don't think it was about him wearing a dress. It was about him switching gender on different days and the children being told, under threat of discipline, that they had to switch not only the way they addressed him, but the way they actually thought of him. Daily.

It sounds to me like a massive, ideology induced sledgehammer to crack a very minor nut.

This whole thing is a total mess. How the fuck have we got to the stage where the response to a small child who is kicking against the constraints of gender is to tell them they are the opposite sex, just born in the wrong body? It's insanity.

I spend a lot of time telling my child that societal rules about how girls should behave are bollocks, then this crap comes along and reinforces it.

Interestingly I was reading a childcare textbook this morning and it clearly differentiated between biological sex and gender. It didn't wade in to the trans minefield much though.

I wish someone had backed those parents up a bit before yesterday's media circus.

Is a woman in a suit and boots, short hair and no make up less of a woman than a man in a dress? Absolutely not. Biological sex isn't determined by items of clothing..

Exactly, so a boy in a dress is a boy in a dress, a boy in a dress is not a girl, a she, a her, or a female.