Political correctness gone mad - parents under fire from withdrawing their child from school after male class mate wears a dress.

[ThaiRedCurry]

Ok so just catching up with my mail online news before bed. I've seen a Christian couple have withdrawn their son from school due to his male, 6 year old class mate wearing a dress to school.
They where on This Morning and have come under fire from viewers and the presenters for their decision to remove their son from the school as they don't agree with a boy wearing a dress.
I will just say I would find it a little odd but wouldn't withdraw my child from school.
I can't help but feel that if another race/religion did the same thing they wouldn't come under fire. It's as if white British folk are trying to be so politically correct we no longer can see what is ok and what isn't incase we offend some one.
I feel political correctness has gone mad 😖
I'm now going to sit and wait for Mums net abuse to roll in.

Thou shalt not lie - basic Christian tenet

But they are being forced to accept and tell lies about the sex of this child. And to compel their son to. How does that make them cunts stop

"A few local school have preempted this by making school uniform trousers only for everyone."

Maybe it would preempt the entire trans ideology if we made all names, clothes, careers, domestic roles, the whole lot absolutely interchangeable and un-genderised - as if we were a newly born species starting over. What would be left then but biological differences?

I think if we only could achieve this in entirety (which is pie in the sky, at least to expect it to happen quickly) it would straighten out a lot of woolly thinking on the mystical, vague, 'feelingsy' stuff wrapped around trans.

Whether the little child is a boy or a girl is none of the bigoted Christian parents business. Leave the poor child alone. The school is better off without such parents in it.

There is another thread about children being compelled to wear trousers at school. in the name of 'gender neutral'. But it's horseshit. Why is the skirt or dress banned? Because it's deemed to be female clothing. Lesser clothing. Boys can't be expected to wear skirts now can they? But girls can be expected to wear trousers

Let the children (and adults) wear what the fuck they want, but it doesn't change their sex

It is their business when their child is forced to conform and agree that you can change between boy and girl

I had this conversation with my dcs (7&8)this morning:
Me: there's a story in
the news & i wondered what you'd think? (Nb we often do this about all sorts of things, so they are quite used to it).
Dc1: it's stupid.
Me: why?
Dc1: boys can wear dresses.
Me: so why did you say it's stupid?
Dc1: he hasn't read the story of the chicken who wanted to be a duck.
Me: I don't know that story.
Dc1: chicken wants to be a duck, goes in a pond and drowns. You are what you are.
Dc2: hes got a willy!

They can tell their child to outwardly conform even that their own personal family belief is different. They may believe that all unbelievers are going to hell, or that sex outside marriage is sinful or that Bob having two mums is abbhorent. Doesn't mean their kid has to expound these views in class.

Understanding that different people have different beliefs can be confusing for children. But the reality is they deal with it every day.

It is their business if the school's policies define holding a different belief as bullying.

Fundementalist Christians believe homosexuality is sinful. I'm sure verbalising these views to a gay child would also be construed as 'bullying'. Is that a problem also?

Yes, they might believe that. And they can't compel people to believe what they believe, anymore than they can be compelled to believe it is not a sin.

But biology is not a belief. This is science. You can't change sex

ReanimatedSGB

Going back to the issue of safety in women's prisons, this is worth a read. www.independent.co.uk/voices/transgender-prisons-jessica-winfield-gender-recognition-act-a7940561.html

There is absolutely nothing you can link that would make me think it's ok for a rapist, or any man for that matter, to be placed in a women's prison.

Nothing.

The school policy is defining bullying as merely HOLDING the belief that you can change sex, even without verbalising it.

Apologies, that should say, that you CAN'T change sex.

No i agree. But I don't need my 6 year old to tell that to another 6 year old who thinks differently, any more than i need them to tell the class Father Christmas doesn't exist.

This isn't about what children believe, its about spreading their beliefs. At 6 its ok to start learning that beliefs differ and other people believe other stuff.

The bigger debate- about whether transitioning is harmful and to whom - does need to be had. But not by children in a classroom.

If you don't verbalise it how will they know what you believe?

The difference between science and belief seems to be a fundamental point in this. Belief and feelings are given equal weight to science in cases like this. I've always respected people's pronouns to avoid hurting their feelings, and have politely kept quiet about my belief that they haven't changed their sex by expressing themselves as they do. I thought that, compared to their deeply-felt emotions, my opinion didn't really matter, and it cost me nothing to use their pronouns and name. But now that I see the damage this is doing to women, children and some lesbians, I think our politeness may be starting to cost us very dearly indeed, and I don't know how to move forward.

Userwhocouldntthinkofagoodname

Whether the little child is a boy or a girl is none of the bigoted Christian parents business. Leave the poor child alone. The school is better off without such parents in it.

Wtf is 'bigoted' about It? They don't want their son being punished for calling a spade a spade.

Bigoted indeed.

I think the fact that the parents have come at this from a religious viewpoint kind of clouds the issue.

To me, this isn't the same as just respecting someone else's beliefs - so it's one thing saying "you must accept that x believes in god", but another to say "we must all say Grace before every meal/must not eat pork/whatever rule you fancy because x believes this"

As soon as you tell the other children that they have to, effectively, pretend that x is a girl because they're wearing a dress today, then you're not just telling them to respect someone else's beliefs but involving them in the performance of them. And this is like a religion in many ways

Facts and belief are not the same. And children must know this.

Prioritising feelings over facts is dangerous post modernist bullshit.

I suspect the solicitor took on the case from the religious view. It will be trans protected characteristic belief v religious belief, and at what age does being classed as trans start? I am not legally trained though.

Prioritising feelings over facts is dangerous post modernist bullshit

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It is like a religion. The trans agenda is an ideology in the same way that religion is ideological.

The thing that baffles me is that some people go apeshit about being compelled to do anything by a religious ideology but swallow this bullshit hook, line and sinker.

not all Christians are stupid, bigoted publicity seeking cunts
Appalling statement, no other religion would get such an insult.

I suspect so and the clash does present an interesting perspective.

But maybe the Santa comparison is in some ways more apt. This is a bit like having a situation where some children don't believe in Santa, but not only must they not say "Santa isn't real" but they must keep up an ongoing and sustained pretense that they do believe in Santa at the risk of being called a bully if they dont. And Santa will be a topic of conversation every day and they must never slip up and say anything indicating their disbelief.

That's effectively what's being expected - that even though they can clearly see that x is a boy and they know this to be true, they must pretend to believe that they're a girl and make sure they always use the correct words and pronouns.

It was more than they objected to a boy wearing a dress.

It was that the child chopped and changed between being a girl and a boy and this was identified by what they were wearing on that given day. If the child was wearing a dress and wasn't addressed as a female the other children would be told off.

These kids are 6. I would have been incredibly unhappy had my children been disciplined for something like that. It's hard enough for an adult to get their head round and make a conscious effort to remember what name etc to use. A 6 year old would be way out of their depth in this situation.

I think the way they've gone about making their point is incredibly clunsy but they do have a point to be made nevertheless.