To think that Dior are way off the mark to employ Johnny Depp

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Who does he appeal to?

Aftershave for wife beaters?

They also employed John Galliano.

I am baffled.

Fuck off, when did I say that?

I said I used to like him.

I wasn't referring to your comment just now ballet. Not everything is about you.

Although your silly claims about what other posters are saying/doing stand in contrast to your anger at being misrepresented

Ah, you're one of those goady types. Ok. Carry on, enjoy

Ah, I thought I was one of the victim blamers. Can never tell.

Read your last paragraph. You clearly believe he abused amber and you said some bollocks about jonny depp shooting winona (wtf are you going on about?! Saying allegedly doesnt make it any less stupid) But said your source was a gossip site. Not exactly hard facts is it? On the contrary to victim blamers, mumsnet is just full of posters who leap at the chance to demonise any man who is accused of anything without a single shred of evidence. Fucking gossip sites as a source. Unfuckingbelievable.

I'm not actually a fan of jonny depp. I just think spreading stupid stories about him allegedly shooting someone (someone who later said he's a good man) is pathetic.

Interesting take on violent in their joint divorce statement: "There was never an intent of physical or emotional harm." Doesn't say physical violence did not occur. Followed by "Neither party has made false accusations for financial gains.” If this is actually taken as the truth it would mean "Yes, I did punch her but I didn't mean to hurt her". Which is what a lot of violent abusers would say.

According to the Guardian, Heard's statements were supported by witnesses, so it wasn't just her word against his.

And "not proven" here does not mean "tried in a criminal court and cleared due to insufficient evidence", it means "woman agreed to retract her statement as part of a deal".

www.theguardian.com/film/2016/aug/16/amber-heard-assault-allegations-johnny-depp-divorce

Thats right up there with saying that if a woman doesn't report a rape its her fault if there are more victims

No, I don't think it is on this occasion Helena. Staying quiet and not reporting a rape is very different to going to the media and saying "No he never ever raped me, he's such a kind and wonderful person". Surely you can see the difference between saying nothing and actively speaking up on behalf of the abuser?

Women are not responsible for mens behaviour.

Fully agree, they are responsible for their own behaviour, which includes defending an abuser if you know they are guilty.

If Winona was abused and then lied to the media saying that she wasn't then she has done AH a disservice imo. She's compounded the view that AH must be lying because JD's ex's (Winona, Vanessa) rushed to defend him.

The story about the gun is interesting and it wouldn't surprise me if it happened. The problem is that, yet again, it's all gossip and hearsay.

Followed by "Neither party has made false accusations for financial gains.” If this is actually taken as the truth it would mean "Yes, I did punch her but I didn't mean to hurt her". Which is what a lot of violent abusers would say.

It could also be read that that Amber didn't make false accusations for financial gains, but for other reasons e.g. sheer malice. "Yes I did make false accusations, but not in order to obtain money. I was just pissed off with him at the time"

Before anyone (else) accuses me of victim blaming, that's not what I'm saying the statement means. I'm just pointing out that the statement can be interpreted in different ways depending on whether you are pro AH or pro JD. It is not an actual confession of guilt from JD whether you choose to see it that way or not.

I believe Amber and I hope he will seek help. Especially after learning he grew up in a abusive home. Now he started another cycle

And what abuser admits to their own guilt

No matter how hard they tried his lawyers could get her to back down and go along with this is complete fabrication as they first claimed good for her

He looks like a smelly little ferret and I can't take him seriously as an actor.

You seem very prickly in your posts hasitcometothis33, is it that you feel very close to Depp and want to defend him or is it a more general anger at the way you feel men are being treated?

Fair enough, NoProblem, that is one possible interpretation of the "no false accusations" part. But then the previous sentence makes no sense: no harm intended- why wouldn't you just say no violence took place?

It seems Depp has actually admitted that his partners had to put up with displays of violence during which he smashed the house around them and they had to talk him down from the rage. I can't think of any other context where MN would not consider this emotional abuse.

This also seems to be the context in which Amber might have got hurt: a display of raging violence that went one step further. But isn't that the point of violence against inanimate objects: to remind the person you are angry with that that violence is there and could be turned against them?

Cory I 100% agree with you re: violent acts being abusive and yes, JD has a history of displays of aggression. Also agree that there does not have to be physical contact - the implied threat of it is enough to count as abuse. I believe wholeheartedly that this was an abusive relationship.