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Daughter and childcare

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Remy66 · 07/09/2017 08:35

Hello.
My daughter is in her early twenties and has a 3 yr old son. He is lovely and I love him to pieces. She has struggled financially and while she has a partner they do not earn much and paying for childcare was crippling them so I agreed to look after her son for 3 days per week 8am until 5pm, his other Nona also took care of him one day per week so they did not have to use paid childcare.

I retired early due to both ill health and needing to care for my own, at the time, very sick daughter. She is 14 now. She is severely autistic, nonverbal and is diagnosed with global developmental delay. At her last assessment at 10 she measured at having the mental age of a 2yr old. She can be aggressive and frequently bruises me and hurts me during meltdowns and has broken my finger in the past. I have methods to stop her meltdowns which include things that could be distressing for my grandson which include an alarm (I believe it's a rape alarm I bought it from amazon). This is the last resort to stop her from beating me.

My daughter attends a special needs school and leaves at 8:30am and returns home by 3:30pm. She is taken in a taxi that I pay for it was originally council funded (seperate issue and a long story).
When my grandson was here it was ok initially. The problems began about a fortnight in, after school. My grandson would upset my daughter by triggering her meltdowns. Sometimes perhaps on purpose (eg, she is territorial over some things and he would pick these things up despite being told not to touch and say "im taking this home. Nona says it's mine now" thinking I was out of earshot) it got to a point where the mere sight of my grandson would tip my daughter into meltdown. I would often be hurt in the process protecting my grandson. So I said to my daughter I'm sorry but starting from x date (around 3wks before that date) you cannot bring him here anymore. She cried and said I was a horrible mother which hurt me a lot as I love her and my grandson but if I cannot keep him safe or keep my own child happy I will not look after him.
The other issue is that while I looked after him I was often feeding him snacks in the morning as he was hungry, lunch and dinner. I do not have much money but I said to my daughter just give me 20 pounds a fortnight to cover this. It certainly would not cover it all as he added easily an extra 30 pounds a week or more to my spending in nappies (he is not yet toilet trained), food drinks, snacks and that does not include any days out I took him on which I fully accept is my cost to bear. She refused to pay this to me, she initially paid me some money (ten pounds) then said "don't make a habit of this I don't have money coming out of my ears" which upset me a lot as I know I was saving her about £350 a month in childcare of course I wouldn't ask for this but I think £20 per fortnight was perfectly reasonable. I don't see why I should give up what little time to myself I have and put myself into financial struggle as a thank you.

This was 3 months ago that I stopped looking after him.
Since she has cried on the phone to me saying childcare costs are hurting her financially. I said ok I will try again but you must arrive after daughter had gone to school and he must be gone when she is home. She agreed to this. Since, her or her partner bring grandson right after daughter leaves for school and grandson is then picked up by her partner or somebody else (sometimes partners sister sometimes his mother). What I have issue with is the cost of having this child and also the fact my daughters partner or my daughter will sometimes arrive early sometimes by an hour so I am back to square one with playing referee between my daughter and grandson. He is so small and my daughter can physically overwhelm me I worry he would be hurt or worse and I cannot bare that I also know my daughter would blame me if her son was hurt.

I feel very disrespected that she does not listen to me or work within the limits I set because I am really doing her a favour which I do not mind as such but the disrespect is hurtful. I'm also saddened that she would rather see me struggle because I now have an extra mouth to feed.
Her son is also quite fussy and has an unhealthy diet which is down to her parenting but if I try to make him eat anything healthy of course I get a tantrum which is ok kids are kids and I dealt with it too but she shouts at me if I try to feed him something he does not like.
I don't want to look after him anymore but I want to know if it is reasonable to do this to my daughter as I know she will scream and shout at me and I will be the worst mother in the world in her eyes.
I know this forum has a reputation for being honest and sometimes too honest please be honest but kind as I feel very frustrated and hurt at the moment

OP posts:
ItsALardBaby · 07/09/2017 08:37

Your daughter in completely taking the piss.
Time to stop the childcare

glenthebattleostrich · 07/09/2017 08:40

When was your grandson 3? If it was before 31 august he should be entitled to 30 hours funded childcare.

I'm sorry but your daughter is massively taking advantage of you. I honestly don't understand how anyone could ask a person who is a carer for a child with severe issues to add to their workload. She is so selfish.

Tell her no, find an alternative.

Remy66 · 07/09/2017 08:43

They are not entitled to any free hours (I'm not sure why, I don't pry too much into their finances I only know what she shares with me) but were entitled to some tax credits but they still had to pay extra of about 350 per month to top it up which is what made them struggle.

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KayTree87 · 07/09/2017 08:43

I thought all 3 year olds are entitled to 30 hours free child care? As it's September he should have enrolled this month?
She's defo taking the mick as well.

PastaOfMuppets · 07/09/2017 08:44

Holy shit stop doing this. Your daughter and her DH do not respect or appreciate your situation. It's not your fault your daughter and her DH find childcare expensive. I am horrified for you, and I'm sorry but your daughter sounds awful (by daughter I am referring to the mother of your grandson, just to be clear).

Remy66 · 07/09/2017 08:44

I will have to tell her no for my sake and for my younger daughters sake I think but I just feel so sick at the thought. The last time I stopped looking after him she didn't bring my grandson to see me at all and I'm not able to go to her as my daughter does not travel well and while she is at school my grandson would be in childcare of some kind if not with me so they would have to bring him here. I know I will not see him much which hurts me he is my only grandchild and I love having him around

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KayTree87 · 07/09/2017 08:45

That sounds wrong to me as we are not entitled to the 2 year old free funding, but everyone is entitled once they are 3. Doesn't sound right especially as you said they are on low incomes.

blackteasplease · 07/09/2017 08:47

Yeah, she is defo taking the mick. You owe it to yourself, your other dd and your grandson to stop this now.

Also I agree she should surely be entitled to the 30 hours free or at least 15!

SandSnakeOfDorne · 07/09/2017 08:48

It sounds like she hasn't looked into childcare costs for a while, at three the free hours are now universal. Look up the details and tell her you can't do the childcare any more.

elevenclips · 07/09/2017 08:48

Everybody is entitled to some free hours. She needs to get this sorted.

Remy66 · 07/09/2017 08:49

As I said, I don't know specifics about their entitlements to any benefits or financial help because I do not pry. She has said to me that she cannot have them, I needn't know more than that.

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blackteasplease · 07/09/2017 08:49

There is no way they are not entitled to any free hours if he was 3 before 31st August. I can't see why they wouldn't want to take him if they have 30 hrs free! Do they have some other objection to nursery?

Lovingmybear2 · 07/09/2017 08:50

Hi op I too have my grandson 3 days a week but unlike you have none of your other issues and my son and dil are massively grateful and would never treat me this way.

Sorry but your dd and her partner are massively taking you for granted and you need to put your foot down even to protect your grandson from your dd and visa Versa.

They will sort childcare they just haven't had to in the past and they will manage.

Back off and be strong. It's hard bebause you love them all but your head has to rule your heart here love.

elevenclips · 07/09/2017 08:51

Yes you do need to know more OP as she has got it wrong. Everybody is entitled to it at 3.

Remy66 · 07/09/2017 08:53

They have no objection to any childcare that I know of - he was not 3 before august 31st I don't know if that matters he turned 3 this week on Tuesday.
Again I don't know anything about the free childcare hours, how they are used, who is eligible (because it's certainly not everyone from a quick google. Your income must be a certain amount and you must work certain hours.)
She has told me they aren't eligible. So I will presume they aren't eligible,
Like she says. Because I see no reason for her to not want him in paid childcare as he was in before

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OliviaBenson · 07/09/2017 08:53

www.gov.uk/help-with-childcare-costs/free-childcare-and-education-for-2-to-4-year-olds

All 3 year olds are entitled. You need to tell her you can no longer do it.

SleepFreeZone · 07/09/2017 08:54

Agreed. She sounds a little too self absorbed to have realised she was entitled to free term time childcare. She's so busy taking the piss out of you she hasn't signed him up to preschool.

OliviaBenson · 07/09/2017 08:54

She's either lying to you or is unaware. Either way you won't be dropping her in it as she can get free childcare!

Remy66 · 07/09/2017 08:55

She would need to apply for the next term the gov website states. So it is no immediate help for anyone concerned at this point though I will mention it to her for the future as I presume he'd be able to use it for January intake?

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Lollyb86 · 07/09/2017 08:56

If he turned 3 this week he will be entitled to at least 15 hours free a week

Lovingmybear2 · 07/09/2017 08:57

Unless you stop holding the slack she has no reason to get off her arse and sort these child care hours as she is entitled to.

Tough love op.

Lollyb86 · 07/09/2017 08:57

Sorry posted too soon. That may not start until Next term though depending on cut off date

MissEliza · 07/09/2017 08:58

Op of course she's eligible for free childcare. I was a SAHM with a dh on a high income and I got 13 free hours when dd turned 3 back in 2011, so I know doubt your little dgs could be doing a few mornings in a nursery at a minimum. However getting a child into a nursery requires some effort (applications etc). Maybe it's just easier for your dd to leave him with you. This situation sounds unnecessarily unfair for you, your other dd and your dgs.

blackteasplease · 07/09/2017 08:59

It might be they have to apply for next term?

I'm not sure of the exact rules if he turned 3 this week (I thought it was August 31st cut off but that might be completely wrong!). You need to check yourself though in case she has got ot wrong.

MoveOnTheCards · 07/09/2017 09:00

That sounds like a really tough and unreasonable position your daughter has put you in. I agree with PPs that you need to stop if she's going to take the piss like this.

Also yy to the free hours for all 3yos. If they're a low income family then they will certainly get it (some will only get 15hrs, depending on income and childcare provider set-up, but it's better than nothing!). She just needs to register for a place.

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