AIBU to think that parents should buy the correct uniform and stop moaning

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I am getting increasingly irritated by people on FB moaning that their child's human rights have been violated because they were put into isolation for having the wrong uniform.

I understand that some rules can seem ridiculous but unfortunately some bad parents who have let their child wear spray on trousers and tiny skirts, have necessitated schools stipulating the exact items they need to wear.

Isolation does seem a harsh punishment when it is the parent's fault but how else can schools enforce the rules when some parent's think rules do not apply to them? The child cannot attend class without trousers and parent's would be angry if the child was sent home.

You also often find that it is these parent's who also complain when a school is no good at discipline, yet will not follow the rules themselves.

My Dd goes to one of the best schools in Glasgow, I fought for 6 months to get her a place there.
There is no uniform.
She is quite happy with her blue/purple hair, many piercings, DM's, skinny jeans and t-shirts.

If you do not agree with the rules then write to the Head and the Governing body, start a petition to get the rules changed but do not just send your child to school in the wrong clothes.

I read a post earlier by a woman on FB bragging that her daughter's blue hair dye had not come out and that when the teacher's "moan" at her daughter, her daughter will "tell them to get lost LOL". Parents like this are why teachers have such an uphill battle with discipline.

It depends if it is due to lack of money.

Also parents who claim that isolation violates their child's human rights, have no understanding of human rights.

Local schools seem to have gone over to the blazers with coloured piping or ribbon on them, is that to stop you buying one at M&S and sewing the badge on? The local grammar seems to survive and get good results without blazers so don't know why the others seem to find them so vital.

'I'm not saying I have loads of money. I am saying £16 is mid range, not super pricey.'

Good for you. It's a fortune to many, including me.

Every child has the right to learn without humiliation from a power crazed head teacher

I was a secondary teacher for 13 years until recently. I think these uniform trends are bonkers. I say get rid of uniform. If my kids went to one of these schools I'd probably buy supermarket clothes on purpose. Nine of it makes a difference to education. And as to workplace, lots are becoming more casual now (mine has no dress code), even as a teacher I wore leggings, kept my facial piercing in- because it didn't effect my ability to teach.

expatinscotland: I am sorry that £16 is a fortune to you but you must accept the fact that it is unusual for someone in the UK with internet access to think £16 is a fortune.

Kids grow so quickly so yes £16 possibly! per term is a lot

I get the us into work and every day I see NICs neatly dressed girls leaving their houses. Between their front door and the bus stop their skirts get rolled up 6-8 inches, their shirts are untucked and tied in a knot behind their backs to pull them tighter, top 2 buttons are undone, tie is loosened so their cheat is on show and blazer sleeves are rolled up.

The parents have done their best to send the girls out appropriately dressed but how do they combat the kids making adjustments?

The fact that children grow means that there are always plenty of supplies in the second hand uniform shop!

*Coddiwomple.
My Dd is from an underprivileged home, I am a single parent on disability benefits.
Primark jeans are a lot cheaper than anything with a logo, Dds Doc martens were a birthday gift and actually far more practical and hard wearing than Clark's or similar, she wears mainly band/TV t-shirts with a checked shirt over, nothing expensive.
The school has very few discipline issues, parents are desperate for a place, oh we are from out of area too and she's been welcomed with open arms.

I don't have an issue with uniform as such, but keep it to what is freely available, and practical.

If there is a second hand uniform shop!

OK my kindle apparently doesn't like me.

I get the BUS
I see neatly dressed not NICs
Chest not cheat

Idiotic to compare school uniform to workplace uniform - that is provided by the employer and teaching staff clothing restrictions, who can buy their clothing from anywhere .

Our secondary has even dictated which bags kids can use - they can only be bought from the uniform shop and are double the price you can pick them up for in Tesco and no better quality. School trousers and skirts have been 'redesigned' to have a ridiculous brightly coloured stripe down the side that again can only be bought from the school uniform shop for £18 pounds each.

SN DS2 went to school last year in black leather shoes with no label and velcro straps as he struggles with laces. By morning break I was called to collect him as it was decided that they were 'trainer type' shoes due to the stitching. The school was completely failing him due to not supporting his SN and were more worried about the Head seeing his shoes!

DD's secondary school skirts were £32 pounds each (state) and you needed at least two. They were kilts so nightmare to iron as well.

DS3's primary have now stated that only school logo jumpers and cardigans can be worn which are £8.50 each as opposed to £3 in a supermarket.

It is an outrageous power trip by people blinded by their perceived authority forgetting that they are there to serve the childrens best interests. The problem is that parents rightly complain but never take it further to the Governors or the odd one will who is ignored.

IMO there should be a blanket ban on all school logoed uniform with just a school colour stipulated for jumpers and trousers/skirts and comfy shoes that can be bought anywhere. Blazers and ties should be outlawed for secondary schools too. Kids have to stay in education until they're 18 now and they can wear jeans for college. What is the point is preparing them for work by making them wear business attire for 5 years then them going back to scruffs long before they get into the world of work?

I think schools should be reasonsble. Uniform should be comfy and practical and not massively expensive. It would help of it looked nice too - kids are more likely to wear it without complaint if they are allowed some leeway . Some schools are really picky over every little detail and so don't help themselves.
DS's ht appears to have randomly decided to not allow items of clothing that were previously permitted - it would have bern nice to know this before the summer holiday and not when everyone has already been shopping!

16 pound is a fortune for something no better and no different to supermarket equivalents.

There is fuck all need for uniform start up costs to be what they are. Unless of course your intention is to price out the riff raff..

I'm in a 'professional' job. If not in uniform I wear jeans or supermarket stuff if I need to be smart. Ties and jackets not allowed for anyone anyway. This 'preparing children for work' business is bollocks.

' I am saying that, as far as trousers go, it is a mid-range price.'

To you, in your opinion. Okay.

This is the kind of bollocks that goes on

www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/row-erupts-newquay-after-13-435096

I think uniforms encourage adolescents to focus on subverting its requirements in a desperate attempt to express their individuality. They naturally want to question adult norms and it would be better, educationally, for them to be questioning the content of the curriculum than what they're allowed to wear. Let them express themselves through their clothing rather than have parents and teachers wasting endless energy trying to enforce an anachronistic dress code.

Uniforms also encourage tribalism between schools - do we really need that?

As for uniform in primary schools, what is the point? Other than making money for the suppliers.

The Finns, Swedes, Danes, Norwegians, Germans etc etc have no school uniforms and have higher educational standards than we do.