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Dear Jacob Rees Mog...

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MoiraRosesMeltdown · 06/09/2017 11:16

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41172426

.....You may think that abortion is "morally indefensible", and that
"Life is sacrosanct and begins at the point of conception", even in cases or rape or incest.

You can have an opinion on this when you have a uterus, have been raped or have been abused yourself. You can never know why individual women make this heartbreaking decision. You are supposed to represent the public. Keep your insulting, patronising opinions to yourself.

Yours sincerely,
Women of the world

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 06/09/2017 18:18

And if they're being touted as the next leader of the governing party everyone is entitled to have very strong reservations/disgust for them.

Touted by the media. Certainly not heard JRM say anything or any one of consequence in the Tory party.

Spangles1963 · 06/09/2017 18:19

OMG I never realised he was so awful.

gutrotweins · 06/09/2017 18:25

Just read the Mail on this.

They love him.

TakeThatFuckingDressOffNow · 06/09/2017 18:29

Thanks for sharing all this.... he is really totally ignorant, that abortion thing will prevent him from party leadership.

But who else have they got, no one.

Theresa is just canon fodder now - she'll get destroyed by Brexit. Who else do they have, Boris is pretty quiet. Fucking David Davies???

God help us all

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 06/09/2017 18:33

But who else have they got, no one.

There are actually some potential unknown back benchers.

It is actually very rarely that the 'front runner' gets in. For Tories or labour.

specialsubject · 06/09/2017 18:33

He is entitled to his opinion.

As were Ronald Reagan and his family regarding their hate of stem cell research....until he got Alzheimer's and there was a possibility of treatment.

Rees-mogg will never be pregnant with a baby who won't survive, nor will he be pregnant from rape, nor will a pregnancy threaten his life. I would not wish these horrors on anyone and I hope that no female close to him ever suffers them, because he will clearly wish to worsen matters.

surferjet · 06/09/2017 18:47

Rees-mogg will never be pregnant with a baby who won't survive, nor will he be pregnant from rape, nor will a pregnancy threaten his life

Most people would support termination in those circumstances, it's termination for all the other reasons many people feel uncomfortable with.

ChattyLion · 06/09/2017 18:51

Surely a genuinely Tory position on abortion (and all the other normal things that disgusting Rees Mogg is so against) would be to get politicians to back the fuck off and let people decide for themselves about what's best to do in their private lives without the state interfering?

Ttbb · 06/09/2017 18:55

It was the tories who legalised gay marriage though? Generally they seem to be fairly lax (by European standards) on state interference. I think you may be a bit confused. They may be hopeless but not to that extent.

Lovingmybear2 · 06/09/2017 18:59

surgerjet he said no abortion under any circumstances be that rape or incest. The vile mysogynist prick

SnowBells · 06/09/2017 19:04

F*ck Rees-Mogg.

Seriously, the past 18 months or so have really made me think that a serious disease is makin mg it's round.

It's called idiocracy.

Frogtits · 06/09/2017 19:04

I can't stand him.

He is very creepy indeed, in my opinion, and the thought of him having any real political power is frightening.

His voting history says it all.

I don't agree with his views but accept that, as a Roman Catholic, he can express his opinions and beliefs without seeing the need to justify them.

Of course, when questioned about his faith, he is going to be anti abortion and anti same sex marriage.

He reminds me of a trouser press - stiff, dull and not as useful as all that.

CurryInAHurry · 06/09/2017 20:07

"Rees-mogg will never be pregnant with a baby who won't survive, nor will he be pregnant from rape, nor will a pregnancy threaten his life"...

"Most people would support termination in those circumstances, it's termination for all the other reasons many people feel uncomfortable with."

This is the position I don't understand, or rather, have difficulty respecting. I am atheist, and believe that a woman must have absolute autonomy over her own body. I have had a termination.

I can understand people for whom life from conception onwards is sacrosanct and that the foetus has an absolute right to survive. If you truly believe in tne right to life of the foetus, of course you believe that regardless of tne circumstances of conception or conditions found to be present in the foetus.

But if you start devising a menu of acceptable circumstances, what you are actually saying is a woman had rights over her body if in my opinion she deserves them. You are saying to a woman who has experienced contraceptive failure that you think she must live with that and undergo pregnancy and birth despite feeling horror and dread that she has an unwanted baby growing within her. You are saying to a woman who got drunk and got pregnant 'you are not worthy of having autonomy and having a child is the consequence, in effect a punishment for your carelessness".

Who decided who is worthy of an abortion? Who is 'innocent' enough of the circumstances of conception? The whole concept seems hypocritical, judgemental and misogynistic to me.

Bluesrunthegame · 06/09/2017 20:19

I find JRM to be cold and somehow slimy. He'd play a particularly creepy villain in a Victorian melodrama, or maybe the major domo of the head of a sinister organisation.

I'm often surprised that his views are taken seriously, he definitely speaks from the century before last.

Valentine2 · 06/09/2017 20:22

Are we actually going backwards now? He could be our Trump pretty easily. However, I really do wish he replaces May soon because that will ensure quick death for Tories rather than this slow and painful spectacle of a circus.

Morphene · 06/09/2017 20:25

Maybe he can make Britain great again....

I'll start printing the ironic baseball caps....

Valentine2 · 06/09/2017 20:26

Thanks for the brilliant woare "Turbocunt".

hackmum · 06/09/2017 20:29

I despise him, but I'm glad he has expressed his views publically so people can have the measure of him.

surferjet · 06/09/2017 20:30

Lovingmybear2
Oh right sorry, I didn't realise that.
Then yes, I agree with you.

NorthernLurker · 06/09/2017 20:36

I think he just thinks this won't ever happen to him. Obviously he can't carry a pregnancy. He has a wife and a daughter though and I wonder if he has tried to think through what it would be like if god forbid his wife was raped and conceived. Would he really be able to live with seeing her trying to come to terms with a violent assault whilst carrying the rapists child. To see her labour to deliver the rapists child? And once the child is born what then? I don't see how you could ever think that was all fine . I think though that he doesn't think about it because things like that don't happen to people like him in his absurd elitist world. Except of course sometimes they do.

HelenaDove · 06/09/2017 23:59

There is an old Hammer House of Horror episode called Growing Pains...............

MetalMidget · 07/09/2017 06:24

It was the tories who legalised gay marriage though?

David Cameron's government created the bill, but more Tory MPs voted against it than for it at each reading - it only got through because of Labour and the Lib Dems.

ChattyLion · 07/09/2017 07:31

YY Metal
For a lot of Tory politicians the Tory principle to let private individuals or families do their own thing only extends to people who they feel are like themselves i.e. men with privilege.

FenceSitter01 · 07/09/2017 07:44

He's taken stance - "I have a belief but my belief will not change legislation" - so you know what you're getting, its written on the tin.

FWIW he's allowed to believe life is sacrosanct. Many people do. In an ideal world we wouldn't have rapes and everyone would use contraception. But we don't live in an ideal world.

northern he's a religious man - his God would see him through that crisis. That's generally what faith does.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 07/09/2017 08:07

"...I support abortion. I also support free speech and the right of people to hold views and discuss their views without being abused for it. All of this anger and hatred is another symptom of the "progressive" authoritarianism which blights all public discourse today..."

"...I really find it very frightening that certain sections of our society believe that anybody in power should hold a very prescribed and limited set of uniform 'acceptable' beliefs and has paroxysms that people may not share those beliefs even if they have no wish to impose them on others.

This intolerance of dissent really is frightening and seems like the first road to totalitarianism..."

These two posts from earlier in the thread sum it up for me.
I am pro abortion & pro marriage equality - I am also pro free speech.

I don't have to agree with him, respect his opinion or respect the person, but I have no problem at all with him holding a different opinion to me.

I find it far more abhorrent & sinister that people feel it is acceptable to prescribe the opinions & discourse of others tbh.

It's a rare thing for a politician to be honest rather than duplicitous too, so that's quite a refreshing change.