Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Dear Jacob Rees Mog...

265 replies

MoiraRosesMeltdown · 06/09/2017 11:16

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41172426

.....You may think that abortion is "morally indefensible", and that
"Life is sacrosanct and begins at the point of conception", even in cases or rape or incest.

You can have an opinion on this when you have a uterus, have been raped or have been abused yourself. You can never know why individual women make this heartbreaking decision. You are supposed to represent the public. Keep your insulting, patronising opinions to yourself.

Yours sincerely,
Women of the world

OP posts:
notsteve · 06/09/2017 11:38

I don't see why people are surprised or horrified that a Catholic genuinely believes in the teachings of the Catholic Church, especially as he's said he wouldn't seek to change our current laws on abortion or same sex marriage. This is such non-news, it's Tim Farron all over again.

2014newme · 06/09/2017 11:39

Agree its non news. He can say and think what he likes same as anyone else.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 06/09/2017 11:40

He would be an absolutely terrible choice for leader. I can't believe the rest of his party would be that stupid.
David Cameron won because lots of quite centrist voters who might have voted Labour in the past bought into his image as a nice guy. This is going to alienate huge swathes of voters and I would think the ones who share his views on abortion and gay marriage would mostly have voted Tory anyway.

dumbledore345 · 06/09/2017 11:40

Sign of the desperation of the Tories that his naame is even floated as a leadership candidate.

History shows us we should beware of political leaders who adhere to closed systems of belief - communism, fascism, catholicism, fundamentalism...

And that would apply to Corbyn and Momentum as well.

2014newme · 06/09/2017 11:42

It will be a great choice for leader if you're a labour voter!

CaveMum · 06/09/2017 11:42

He did also say that the law on abortion in this country would never change. His views are abhorrent, but they are personal and not a platform that he is campaigning on.

Ontopofthesunset · 06/09/2017 11:42

Burninghigh, that's an interesting philosophical and moral question. It is true that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but are all opinions equally valid? Are all opinions entitled to the same degree of consideration and respect?

Some people's opinion is that all people of a different race to themselves are inferior. Is that opinion valid?

Are there some opinions that we don't think 'have a sound basis in logic or fact' or are 'reasonable or cogent'?

From a Catholic standpoint, JRM's opinion probably is reasonable and cogent, but then I don't think Catholicism has a sound basis in logic or fact.

burninghigh · 06/09/2017 11:42

No, actually the fact that he is in a position of authority is all the more reason to be truthful about your views. His constituents can then decide whether or not to vote for him in a transparent way.

squishysquirmy · 06/09/2017 11:43

Of course he can say and think what he likes.
And we can say and think what we like, and I think JRM is an out of touch, reactionary twerp who is too stupid to even comprehend that his knowledge is lacking. He is the most dangerous kind of idiot.

What he says and thinks should have a bearing on how many people are willing to vote for him and, if it comes to it, how many people would be willing to have him as PM (god help us all).

fridgepants · 06/09/2017 11:46

This reply has been withdrawn

This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at the user's request.

SophoclesTheFox · 06/09/2017 11:46

He's a pompous twit, and a dangerous one.

Speaks to the absolute dearth of talent in the tory party these days. I mean, i've never been a tory voter, but I could at least look at some of them and think that, much as I disagreed with them, they were still sort of sentient, functioning human beings with some sort of moral compass, but this current crop...jesus, they're a nasty, talentless bunch.

GrockleBocs · 06/09/2017 11:47

Well yes he can afford lots of dc and paid care for them so I dare say as long as his wife is happy to keep having babies then they might not choose to use it. Money buys that freedom.
Presumably his wife hasn't had an abortion either.
I was just wondering if he'd expressed a similar view on contraception.

scatterolight · 06/09/2017 11:48

He is entitled to his opinion. He was asked a question and he gave his personal view. The pitchfork carrying on this thread, and the over the top language about hating him, is frankly depressing.

I support abortion. I also support free speech and the right of people to hold views and discuss their views without being abused for it. All of this anger and hatred is another symptom of the "progressive" authoritarianism which blights all public discourse today.

GodIsDead · 06/09/2017 11:49

He is a turbocunt. As an American, I am quite familiar with this nauseating breed of man. They are obsessed with controlling women's bodies and other people's sex lives.

Andrewofgg · 06/09/2017 11:49

Actually OP possession of a uterus does not give you a say on whether Woman A should have an abortion.

Possession of Woman A's uterus does.

GrockleBocs · 06/09/2017 11:49

People felt well able to quiz Corbyn about his personal views on nuclear weapons despite a commitment to Trident being in the manifesto and to take Tim Farron to task over his views on gay marriage.

PlinkyTheFairyWitch · 06/09/2017 11:50

He's allowed a private opinion, which he was asked for.

I'm allowed to disagree vehemently with it and think he's an utterly reprehensible, over-privileged relic and never in my entire life vote for him or his party.

I mean, to be fair, he's only taking the belief that abortion is wrong to its logical conclusion. He's still a complete tit, though.

GerdaLovesLili · 06/09/2017 11:50

He's a staunch Catholic. His personal views are in-line with those of his church. This should not be a surprise to anyone. However, he is well regarded locally as a good politician, and whether he would campaign to change the law as it stands to reflect his own personal views is unclear.

Presumably he won't appeal to swing voters, but I doubt if Conservatives will be put off by him.

mmzz · 06/09/2017 11:50

He said he thinks gay marriage and abortion are for the church to advise on (or people's own consciences), not for politicians to decide upon.
Therefore, since he's a politician, not a member of the clergy, he thinks his opinion is just that.

corythatwas · 06/09/2017 11:51

Rees-Moggs has stated in interview that to him the Vatican (by which he means ultra-conservative Catholicism) trumps the Whip's office (the official party line).

It's not just about his personal beliefs: his voting record should make that perfectly clear. Wherever he has had a chance to vote against the interests of benefit seekers/women's rights/gays/the poor, he has jumped at it.

Those British voters who are not ultra-conservative Catholics should ask themselves some serious questions about how fit this man is to represent them. And those who are conservative Catholics should ask how he is to represent the ideals of Christian charity and concern for those in need.

FeelTheNoise · 06/09/2017 11:53

He's potentially a disaster. He's the jovial sinister bastard that we could sleepwalk to having as PM

MoiraRosesMeltdown · 06/09/2017 11:53

I find it utterly insulting that a privileged man could judge decisions made by people who've suffered the worst types of violence. I believe that life begins at birth, and until that point, the foetus is just a part of a woman's body. For whatever reason, if a woman chooses to end the pregnancy, it's up to her. End of.

OP posts:
mmzz · 06/09/2017 11:53

@GerdaLovesLili he said on GMTV this morning, that whenever there is a voteon these things on parliament, its always a free vote i.e. it isn't about what your party thinks, but what you think. We all know that MPs are vastly in favour of abortion and gay marriage. Maybe somewhere in the ratio of 645:5.
I don't think women's rights to have an abortion are threatened by these statistics.

SmilingButClueless · 06/09/2017 11:54

Why on earth should any church have a say in abortion? Nothing to d with them, and they (thankfully) don't make the laws.

SpaghettiAndMeatballs · 06/09/2017 11:54

"Life is sacrosanct and begins at the point of conception", even in cases or rape or incest"

I don't agree with this at all, but then I also don't agree with the idea that fetuses that have come about as a result of rape or incest are any different to fetuses that came about from casual sex, or fetuses that came about through sex between a married couple.

As early as possible, as late as necessary, and the one with the fetus in her uterus gets to choose.

Swipe left for the next trending thread