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AIBU?

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Parents involving children in row

116 replies

Rebecca1971 · 05/09/2017 21:57

I was angry this morning with DH. To fully explain I have to give a little background (sorry this may actually get quite long).

I normally get up at 6, walk the dog, sort out some washing, school snacks and get myself ready before I wake up DS at about 7.15 and then DH at 7.30 - because he refuses to have his own alarm and will not get up until and unless I wake him. DS has to leave the house by just after 8 to make it to school on time.

This morning I was running late as we'd only just got back from holiday and I was tired after the long journey (when I had done the vast majority of a 13 hour car drive as DH doesn't like to drive). So I got up at 7.10 and as a result struggled to get all sorted in time. DS was asleep and hiding under the covers and when I checked on DH at 8 he was in bed reading. I asked him to get up and help me. I reminded him of the time and said DS had to be out of the house in 5 minutes and needed to get ready and could he help make some kind of breakfast (sandwich) that DS could eat on the way to school. Not great but there clearly was no time for proper breakfast at home. When DS finally struggled out of bed the set of school uniform that I had laid out for him to wear didn't have pants. I asked DH if he could please find a pair of pants (no pants left in usual drawers as just returned from holiday). DH response was that school clothes are my responsibility. He also would not make sandwich but said DS should eat cereal at home. I said no time (which there wasn't, clearly!) and grabbed a cereal bar and a few raspberries in a Tupperware box to eat on the way. We were a few minutes late for school but not too bad, teacher was fine when I apologised.

I was highly unimpressed about the whole situation and rather than letting this pass I decided to send DH an email (talking would just have resulted in a shouting match). I kept the tone of the mail calm and said that he needed to reflect on not being selfish and that reading in bed at 8 o'clock when we had a joint responsibility to get our son to school was not on.

So that's the background. Now what I'm really upset about is that when I came home from work DS told me 'daddy is upset with you about this morning'. I said, oh so what did daddy say. DS at that point didn't want to elaborate, probably feeling caught between his two parents. I thought about what best to do for a few minutes, then decided (rightly or wrongly) that it was better to have it all out in the open and asked DH in DS presence what he had said to DS about this morning and that really this was between us. He said (again in front of DS) that he told DS after school that I had been totally unreasonable in the morning, had stormed out of the house in a self righteous manner and that I had an anger problem.

At that point I had to bite my lips not to cry. Not out of anger but out of sheer sadness that he cannot be a father first. My overriding ambition is always always not to let children know of parents' rows and certainly not making them take sides. It's a terrible position to put a child in and no child should have to feel they have to take sides when their parents have an argument.

This is not the first time DH has behaved this way. He doesn't get these parenting principles and seems to think it acceptable to involve children in our differences of opinion. (And that's leaving aside the issue of not getting out of bed in the morning and helping me get the household organised).

What do other MNers think? AIBU?

OP posts:
ContinuingPrim · 05/09/2017 23:03

DH and DS have to take some responsibility for themselves: don't train your DS to be like his father.
I agree with everyone saying don't wake your husband any more, not to be petty but to distance yourself from being a skivvy or held responsible for his mornings. Sounds as though you are expected always to step up (e.g. The driving) while your DH pleases himself and co-opts your DS as his spokesperson into the bargain. Not good.

charlestonchaplin · 05/09/2017 23:04

With his record it was always going to be a risky move. It's not just that your son has been pulled further into your argument, there is also the embarrassment factor of your son being a witness to him speaking to you like that. To be honest, there are a lot of problems here, and solving them is likely to be really challenging.

FrancisCrawford · 05/09/2017 23:07

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PoorYorick · 05/09/2017 23:07

What is the point of your husband, exactly?

Gooseberrytart4 · 05/09/2017 23:08

I think you need to be very positive, very boundaried, very fair and consistent and just push through with getting them to pull their weight. Write down rota together. Make screen time and phone usage dependant on completing their daily jobs

Gooseberrytart4 · 05/09/2017 23:09

Also the oldest. Have a heart to heart. Talk him through how hard you are finding things and get him on side. Explain you need his support and ask him to role model the right behaviour for his brothers.

Atenco · 05/09/2017 23:10

No he doesn't pull his weight! He literally brings his own child home then does nothing and leaves all the stuff for you to sort later. I bet you do the lions share of everything in the house as well as working

This man landed in a nice feathery nest, shame you have to do everything else, OP. And if you say anything about him not pulling his weight you have anger issues.

Gooseberrytart4 · 05/09/2017 23:10

Go for a walk together and give him your time and attention

Fishface77 · 05/09/2017 23:10

LTB. Lazy man child twat.

Dustbunny1900 · 05/09/2017 23:13

I was cringing at a grown man wanting mumsy to wake him (2 hours after she gets up)
And that was before I read the part about not helping his own child get fed or dressed , and then using him as a pawn of manipulation to get back at you for not being a good little domestic slave.
It's beyond being a twat.

KeepServingTheDrinks · 05/09/2017 23:17

To answer your OP, my thought was in relation to this
My overriding ambition is always always not to let children know of parents' rows
I disagree with this, actually. Because I think as parents we should be modelling for our children how to 'do' relationships. And that we're sometimes angry with people we love, that we fall out, that we're human and fallible and make mistakes and get things wrong. But that we (hopefully) discuss, negotiate, compromise, etc and resolve situations together. And that we can forgive each other and move on together. I don't think it's in any way a bad thing for children to witness this.

However, I totally agree with this:
and certainly not making them take sides. It's a terrible position to put a child in and no child should have to feel they have to take sides when their parents have an argument.

And nor should they feel responsible.

I feel like I understood why you involved your DS later, what you were trying to achieve, etc. And I didn't disagree with what your thinking was.

And I really liked what Gooseberrytart4 says back on pg 1, that:

I think it's ok for the kids to see minor arguments as long as you're role modelling how to resolve issues/apologise/move forward.

It's not ok to use kids as pawns.

And given the situation you describe, I think your DH was an utter arse, and I agree with every nasty name and description PPs have written. I also think it should be of huge concern to you that your DS seems to be following this to a degree (siding with your DH). Please consider what you're raising.

Sorry if I've missed it, but how old is your DS?

I think you should be considering some radical changes in your home, with ALL of you pulling together to support one another.

Good luck. And Flowers

tigercub50 · 05/09/2017 23:20

This actually rang some bells for me & shocked me because with everything else that used to go on, I had forgotten how DH used to talk about me in front of DD to (I think) make himself look better. He also used to manipulate/control a situation & make me out to be the bad guy. Obviously it was horrible & set a very bad example to DD. Now we are " on the same page" & he is completely supportive, which means DD is parented in a healthy way. She still tries to play us off against each other but we show a united front. I actually felt quite sick reading your post. You deserve better OP

user1493059174 · 05/09/2017 23:26

Sitting in bed reading a book - what an entitled man child. I sincerely hope he helps out at the other end of the day if his day has such a leisurely start, i.e. prepares/cooks evening meal. And why on earth are you waking up a fully grown man? And speaking with your DC re your e-mail is despicable - looking for affirmation and support of his behaviour from a child????

Rebecca1971 · 05/09/2017 23:28

My son just asked 'Mum, please can you promise me something? That you and daddy will never breakup'.

It's breaking my heart. Is it my fault for not being good enough at smoothing it all over?

What do I do? He loves each of us. I want him to grow up in a stable caring secure environment.

OP posts:
Wolfiefan · 05/09/2017 23:31

Your relationship is his model. This is NOT how it should be. His dad needs to step up and be an adult or go. You shouldn't be smoothing things over. He's supposed to be your partner in this. Not a child or a delicate flower you need to pander to.

Hotheadwheresthecoldbath · 05/09/2017 23:33

How old is your DS,sound as if he knows too well what is happening and how bad it is.They do not ask after one incident.Also he asked you not his dad.

gluteustothemaximus · 05/09/2017 23:35

Totally understand why you brought it up in front of your DS. There is nothing worse than a manipulative parent who twists a child against its own mother. That is despicable. That alone would be enough.

It doesn't sound like he's pulling his weight either. Supervising homework? Sounds like a cop out.

There needs to be more teamwork, no manipulation whatsoever, and he might be in with a chance. Otherwise I don't know what he brings.

You mention DS often sides with him. This is awful. Your DS is growing up with him as a role model, and he's currently failing in how to be a decent man.

Sorry OP. I hope you find your happiness with or without him.

Please don't get him up anymore.

Flowers and some Wine

WorknameJimEllis · 05/09/2017 23:35

Get this moved to 'Relationships' OP. You'll get some great straight talking support from the lovely vipers there. AIBU can be a bit harsh.

Rebecca1971 · 05/09/2017 23:35

DS is 8.

Hothead- What do you mean is significant about him asking me not DH?

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WorknameJimEllis · 05/09/2017 23:35

Ps forgot to say. Your DH is a nob of epic proportions. This is not your fault. Nor is it your job to fix.

thatdearoctopus · 05/09/2017 23:38

Is it my fault for not being good enough at smoothing it all over?

Are you SERIOUS?! Your fault? Your husband acts like an overgrown child and you're berating yourself for not pandering to him?

Ellisandra · 05/09/2017 23:39

My daughter loves both her parents.
She is growing up in a stable secure caring environment that just happens to encompass two homes.
Because her father is an arsehole.
Separate homes and divorced parents are a lot more stable than a single home full of tension where you're begging your mum for promises not to split up Sad

When my friend divorced, she spoke to her son about his best friend... who the teacher had seated apart from him after a row. Sometimes, even when you care a lot about someone, you don't always get on. Your son will have experience of falling out with friends. I would tell him that you care a lot about his dad, and you sometimes fall out like he does with his friends - and that relationships take effort and you're both trying to make that effort. But that you can't promise anything like that forever. But what you can promise is that you'll love him and listen to him and you'll both always work together as parents together or separated to be the best parents you can be for him.

Then have a bloody good think about whether you really want to stay with this lazy dickhead. If you don't, rip the plaster off and get on with giving your son and better and more stable environment separately.

Fanciedachange17 · 05/09/2017 23:42

I read it as your son is aware of you being unhappy and tired of being the sole responsible adult. The man is going to move out while he is being so pampered is he? Your son sounds bright and children always see more than you think they do.
I'd suggest going to Relate and initially going on your own to let everything out and having a damn good cry. It's easy for us to be coolly detached and say LTB but its not like that if RL and is not always in your best interests. Time for a bit of soul searching.

Ellisandra · 05/09/2017 23:43

You asked why it's significant that your son asked you?

Because he's 8, he's not stupid, he has eyes and ears.

I expect he knows damn well that his dad is as happy as the lazy pig in shit that he is, and has no reason to want out. He will also see that you have the shitty end of the stick... so you're the one he's trying to manipulate and guilt (in a desparate childish and not malevolent way) into staying.

C8H10N4O2 · 05/09/2017 23:43

because he refuses to have his own alarm and will not get up until and unless I wake him

I can't get past that. Never mind the DH not wanting to do the driving. Is this DS aged 8 and DS teenager?

On what planet does an adult with a child refuse to get out of bed unless 'mummy' drags them out?

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