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To want teenage dd to leave *edited by MNHQ to reflect that some discussion of eating disorders takes place*

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Stitch2017 · 05/09/2017 11:16

Wasn't really sure where to post this, so I'm posting here for traffic.

I'm at the end of my tether. I've felt sick, vomited several times and my heart has been pounding for days.

Teenage dd, 17. January she was on top of the world. A levels, part time job, lots of cash saved for driving lessons. Then she met a 26 year old man at work. She was 16 at the time.

We found out about 4 months into the relationship when I tried to confiscate her phone for some misdemeanor.

Suddenly everything fell into place. The late nights up talking to friends, the changes in her appearance, random gifts appearing, etc. I was shocked and not happy about the age gap, but as time has gone on things have got worse.

She was 15 % underweight at one point, convinced the drs she was anorexic, and got referred to a therapist who she told she hadn't eaten for three days. We thought she was depressed, hence the GP visit.

She's eating a now but still looks painfully thin. Her skin is pale, her hair is green due to over dyeing different colours. She has new piercings in her ears, stomach and nose which keep getting infected. She failed her A levels (U, U, E), despite being predicted Bs and Cs at Xmas. She has been fired from several jobs and 'let go; from others.

He's currently in Portugal (home country) but due back again soon, and I don't think I can cope with it again. He is a sex obsessed predator. He has videos and pictures of her, and all he is interested in is meeting up for sex. He cheated on her with a work colleague and she still goes back. He doesn't care that she has failed her exams. He watches porn, and without going into details, he treats my daughter like a porn actress. He wants a threesome with her and a friend. She now thinks that this is all normal relationship behaviour. He reinforces her own insecurities about her body. He draws, and drew a picture of her but told her he used a victoria's secret model for the body. He wants a sex party.

She is an emotional mess. She lies non stop, including to him. She has told him she has a flashy car and is starting a law degree. She appears to compulsively lie, and it can be about anything and everything. She is snappy with her siblings and not pleasant at all to be around.

I only know because when we thought she was anorexic and suicidal, we checked her facebook messages. I've never invaded her privacy before, but the GP couldn't help, there are no therapies around, they won't prescribe, and I was living with the fear that I was going to find her dead one day. She doesn't know that I've read them, so it's impossible for me to explain to her how unhealthy the relationship is.

I'm just so sick now of being lied to, the worry of it all, and being treated like dirt. I work 7 days a week, but I work from home a lot so I've been around for her, and even taking her to work with me at weekends (it's a job she can help with) and it's been so draining.

I want to tell her, if she wants to keep seeing him and throwing her life away she needs to move out. AIBU? What else can I do?

OP posts:
Notevilstepmother · 05/09/2017 11:46

It does sound like grooming to me. And I'm sorry to say that threesomes and sex parties sound like a route into him persuading her to sleep with his mates and then onto pimping her out to anyone :-(

WhoresDoeuvres · 05/09/2017 11:46

chickens Well that much is obvious.

WhoresDoeuvres · 05/09/2017 11:47

He has videos and pictures of her

Re: the police, this is actually illegal as she's under 18.

Chickenwithrice · 05/09/2017 11:48

My advice... is tell her. I was your daughter, not so much the compulsive lying (though I did tell some to my parents along the lines of the mysterious gifts and meet ups).

Tell her what you know; that you are not angry, that you are not upset with her (work through this and scream into a pillow if you must beforehand) tell her everything. That you know about the videos. (Presuming you're in the uk) This is illegal. It's legal for her to have sex. It is not legal for him to film nor distribute this to anyone which I suspect he has done, or at least shown others.
Few people video themselves having sex for the sake of it - it will make itself online at some point. She is in a very dangerous downward spiral please do not drop her as she will only fall further. It is not long until she is an adult then you will have less sway and control. You must talk to her, tell her you are worried. Tell her this is not normal nor acceptable for him to be doing. Take her to the gp and beg for a referral to CAHMS or any other services that may help. I would also phone the police and ask their advice regarding the filming and photographing of her during sex. This is illegal and though I doubt she would support an arrest being made a stern word from the police may back him away from her for good.

You cannot bury your head in the sand about this. Nor can you kick her out, you'll as good as superglue him to her if you do that. I would also seriously consider getting rid of any internet she has. Phone confiscated or data not paid for, no internet in the house (you can keep your own data on your phone and tether your own laptop if you must have access to wifi) follow every channel.
NSPCC about the images and videos
GP for mental health help
Private help if you can afford it
Police about the images and videos. Do everything in your power before it is too late to make a difference. Once she is 18 you can do far less

MrsJayy · 05/09/2017 11:48

My blood ran cold when I read sex party you can email or ring Nspcc on 08088005000.doesn't matter that she is over 16 they can advise you.

Confuzzlediddled · 05/09/2017 11:49

The videos and pictures he has, are they, Erm explicit? As that would be illegal as she is under 18 I believe? Do you think you would be able to involve the police?

MrsJayy · 05/09/2017 11:49

Under 18 is indescent images of a child chicken

VioletCharlotte · 05/09/2017 11:50

Hi OP this sounds like an awful situation. A good friend of mine has similar issues with her daughter, it's heartbreaking.

I can totally understand why you want her to leave, but I think this would just make things worse in the long run. If you ask her to leave she'll resent you forever, and without the security of home, her behaviour is just going to spiral and where will it end?

I've not got any answers, only advice I can give is to look after yourself as much as you can. Have you got good friends you can call when you need to sound off or have a good cry? Counselling has helped my friend come to terms with things a bit (counselling for herself, not the daughter) so maybe you could look at that?

Goldenbear · 05/09/2017 11:52

I don't understand this, is this regular amongst teenage girls now, threesomes, Port star imitations? If so we have truly regressed in terms of feminism. If not then you need to make your DD aware that this is not aspirational, this is not normal and there's much more to life.

WhoresDoeuvres · 05/09/2017 11:55

Golden There is considerable pressure from porn-addicted, abusive men for girls to do this.

I had a number of horrendous experiences at the hands of these types as a teen and a woman in my twenties, including a "boyfriend" that wanted to be my pimp.

Their hold on you is insidious and they pick vulnerable targets. Things escalate, they make it seem like it's your idea in the first place. You end up in a right mess.

MrsJayy · 05/09/2017 11:55

Don't victim blame in the name of feminisim Goldenbear it really isn't called for.

Dragongirl10 · 05/09/2017 11:58

op please go to the police and get advice, l don't know what they can do but you need to get him stopped somehow, not sure if he has committed any crime but go and find out. See if Womens Aid have any advice, google any other charities who may be able to give support..

If l were in your shoes l would

Hide her passport and not tell her, to stop her following him

recruit her friends to get her involved in other fun activities, take them out and let her see there is life without him and encourage positive experiences with good friends, she won't listen to you so get her friends to help you.

Get every good friend/family member you trust onside to take her out talk to her without lecturing and try and gently lead her away from him.

You have to convince her there is a better life out there than him.

I would get someone to warn him off and threaten police if he doesn't keep away from her, he may just be stupid enough to believe it is not worth the hassle and let her go even though she is 16 and legal.

Take a deep breath and buckle up for the long haul, do not throw her out or even threaten to, love bomb her instead, she has to have something better at home to stop her wanting to leave and put herself in more danger.

I feel for you op it is every parents worst nightmare, but you have to fight for her as the alternative is to awful to think about.

I wish you luck

Mummyoflittledragon · 05/09/2017 12:02

I agree with the above regarding getting the police involved and reclaiming the images. I would be immensely worried if this was my daughter. He definitely seems to be grooming her potentially for prostitution.

If you can afford it, I would be paying for some kind of intervention. Child psychologists are a good place to start because they will come to your home. You can perhaps also look into some kind of boot camp for teens with emotional difficulties to get her away from him. There are things in the U.K. But they are very very expensive.

Notevilstepmother · 05/09/2017 12:03

Well Golden and Chickens

Grooming is the gradual process where an adult befriends and then gradually assumes control over a child or young person, for example making them believe that they are worthless, making them believe that their abuser is the only one who cares about them, sometimes making them believe that the groomer is in danger and they are the only one who can help (often the girls will be told that their "boyfriend" is in debt to a dealer, and that if she doesn't sleep with him to pay the debt it will be her fault he is beaten/stabbed). It is psychological and sometimes physical abuse to enable sexual abuse.

5BlueHydrangea · 05/09/2017 12:06

Could you take her out somewhere she likes, just the two of you, and try and have a heart to heart chat? She may open up if its just you there. She may feel totally out of her depth but not know what to do so may appreciate the chance to seek help from you without initiating it herself.

grendel · 05/09/2017 12:11

You might find some of the information from PACE (Parents Against Child Sexual Exploitation) helpful:
paceuk.info/

They have lots of online info and also a helpline for parents
0113 240 5226

Miserylovescompany2 · 05/09/2017 12:12

She is infatuated and currently pressing her own self destruct button!

Until she's ready to ask for help - you are helpless unfortunately.

Is there any way she could stay for longer in your home country? This could break the cycle of abuse that you daughter is currently trapped within.

MrsJayy · 05/09/2017 12:12

Her lack of self care is worrying you must be going through hell stitch

pinkingshears · 05/09/2017 12:12

I'd remove her passport. She mustnt go to Portugal with him.
I'd go to the Police / call Childline for advice re the filmed images.
She is still a child. I would consider this grooming, without question.
DONT throw her out.
You need to start to build up her self esteem so that she believes she is worth more than this dangerous man is suggesting.
You will have to fight for her.

Miserylovescompany2 · 05/09/2017 12:14

Sorry - just reread your OP - it's him who's out of the country!

blueskyinmarch · 05/09/2017 12:20

It sounds like she is being sexually exploited. Call the police and ask them for advice or your local SW safeguarding team. I think you need to be there for her. Consistently let her know how much you love her but that you do not like the way she is behaving at the moment. It sounds really tough.

WitchesGlove · 05/09/2017 12:22

Does she like travel?

Could you offer to pay for her to go travelling/ take an exciting gap year? This may get her away from this man.

She may meet someone else, broaden her horizons and I doubt he'd keep it going as a long distance relationship!

UnicornSparkles1 · 05/09/2017 12:23

Your poor daughter. Please don't throw her out, you will be sending her straight to him.

Ring the NSPCC/contact the police for advice as others have suggested. I really hope they're helpful.

And maybe consider talking to a GP about your daughter's MH issues. Would she willingly talk to a doctor?

Gemini69 · 05/09/2017 12:27

your Daughter needs to see Him through your eyes OP.. she is blinded by what she believes is Love... he is disrespecting her body.. her heart .. her soul.. but these things can only be stopped her.. your DD... she will either become pregnant by him in a means of keeping what she thinks is a Prize catch... or she will eventually see him for what he truly is... SCUM..
the previous poster who advised that Sexually explicit images under the age of 18 is correct.. it may be a route to getting rid of him.. by calling the Police.. but you may push her farther away in doing so...

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/10985660/Sexting-scare-6-sexting-myths-busted.html

Good Luck OP Flowers

Nanny0gg · 05/09/2017 12:28

Could you offer to pay for her to go travelling/ take an exciting gap year? This may get her away from this man.

Or fund her trip to join him in Portugal...

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