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to think we no longer live in a Christian country

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orlantina · 04/09/2017 21:41

More than 53% of people have no faith - according to a recent survey.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41150792

That figure changes to 71% amongst 18-25 yr olds.

It surveyed 3000 adults - so it would be interesting to look behind the stats but it seems that more than half the country have no religion.

Christianity is still probably the most common religion out there.

Should this have implications for areas of national life?

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GladAllOver · 04/09/2017 22:48

It seems that some people take a delight in trying to cause offence to believers by talking about sky fairies etc.

It's just pathetic that they haven't got a more mature comment to make.

Kursk · 04/09/2017 22:48

If the queen is the head of the Church of England, then the Country is Christian. Those who are saying that the sooner there is no religion the better. Does that include removing the Royal family?....just a thaught I had.

Ttbb · 04/09/2017 22:48

I sure hope so.

orlantina · 04/09/2017 22:48

Maybe it won't be an issue for future politicians to say they have no faith.

The Daily Mail will say "So and so doesn't believe in God" and most people won't give a shit.

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Heathen4Hire · 04/09/2017 22:49

fakenamefornow I used to be a militant atheist who hated religion. Now I just think it's silly and open for ridicule. Islam WILL be the dominant religion in the future. I see parallels with history on this. But I think most people will not be following a fixed religion at all, either because of a lack of faith, or because they find just believing in a monotheistic or polytheistic god/s is easier to do in one's own personal time and space. I know plenty of people who believe in "God" or "higher power" but do not go to a place of worship. That scares the hell out of the CofE, especially. They are losing their power but will not give it up easily.

EyesUnderARock · 04/09/2017 22:49

Do you see us picketing your places of worship, heckling your clergy or clobbering you when you evangelise and leaflet? That's tolerance and respecting your right to believe in action.

brasty · 04/09/2017 22:49

I am fine with the Royal Family being removed.

upperlimit · 04/09/2017 22:49

No respect for other people's beliefs !

But why should anyone be required to have respect for your beliefs? Or, anyone's beliefs?

People have the right to their religion and to be able to practice it peacefully. That right needs to be respected. But not the actual beliefs.

orlantina · 04/09/2017 22:50

Does that include removing the Royal family

I wonder if this high percentage of non - believers extends to members of the Royal Family?

Or do they 'have to do God" as it comes with the job?

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Crispsheets · 04/09/2017 22:50

I can't respect a person who believes in virgins giving birth and a deity creating the world.
I can respect a good person who has civilised values.

tempester28 · 04/09/2017 22:51

I think we need to move towards becoming a secular country. Allowing religious freedom without giving priority to religious practices or ideas if they are not ethical or healthy for everyone. We should move towards a future where Christmas, Eid, Easter and Hanukka are cultural celebrations/events that people can enjoy in the same way that historical events are celebrated - like Thanksgiving for example. I am not religious but I love Easter. I think we need to evolve a new way of thinking and put some legal safeguards in place for what should surely be a secular future.

JacquesHammer · 04/09/2017 22:55

I can't respect a person who believes in virgins giving birth and a deity creating the world

I find that quite sad. I am a committed atheist. I imagine I respect lots of people who have strong personal religion. What I can't respect is people trying to force their beliefs onto me - whether that's a religion, atheism, a political belief.

I have no issue with places of any religious worship.

I do believe that we should be a secular society on a public level

Heathen4Hire · 04/09/2017 22:58

Orlatina I refuse to believe all the Royal Family have faith. Didn't Catherine have to convert to marry William? She did it to marry a prince, nothing more.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 04/09/2017 23:00

"invisible friends in the sky"

This is a very immature and simplistic way of describing Christian, Jewish and Muslim faith - and very possibly most other faiths, too.

When a man stops believing in God he doesn’t then believe in nothing, he believes anything I think thes is very true - look at all of the people who don't believe in God, but put their faith in "spiritual" things like smudging, and crystals, and flower remedies etc. And a lot of people who claim not to be religious but claim that they are "very spiritual" ( Hmm ).

I am a practising Christian, and have been blessed with some deeply moving spiritual experiences. I honestly think that many people have had such experiences but have dismissed them, or not even noticed them because they are so focussed on the material world. (Or have kept quiet about them, or refused to acknowledge them even to themselves because they fear other people's reactions.)

Religion has not in itself caused wars, though many have been fought in the name of one faith or another - but I don't believe that God (as I believe in God) wants this. I won't pretend I can read God's mind, but I think that it is humanity corrupting and deliberately misusing God's commandments - individuals perverting faith for their own ends and via their own interpretations - that has led to "religious war". If there was no religion, they would have found another "reason" to fight.

God gave humankind free will - that brings with it responsibility for one another and for the beautiful planet on which we live, with all of its diversity. We can't second-guess God - God is not like us but bigger, but is a different nature and substance altogether. As mortals we can't even begin to imagine what God is like, because God is so much more and so very, very different .

We can't explain the evil in the world, but as the Book of Job shows use can't read God's mind or understand God's great purpose - we are, however, learning that creation is finely balanced and that by tipping the scales (e.g., by cutting down rainforests and poisoning oceans to feed our greed) we are irreparably upsetting that balance.

Jesus said "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

And even if you don't believe in God - any god - you can't really argue that the second of these commandments at least, is one we could all do with keeping.

"Invisible friends in the sky" is childish rubbish. God is in every part of creation and is not sitting on a cloud above us watching what happens. God is, rather, the creative force which has shaped, and continually sustains, the universe.

PacificDogwod · 04/09/2017 23:02

Nobody has to respect anybody else's beliefs (a belief is just that, a belief, requiring faith, no proof), but everybody needs to respect others' right to whatever beliefs.

It is rubbish to say that somebody who does not believe in some kind of higher power believes in 'nothing'. I find that very disrespectful tbh.

EyesUnderARock · 04/09/2017 23:02

So if you break those two commandments, you are not a Christian? There might be fewer if you than we thought.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 04/09/2017 23:03

I can't respect a person who believes in virgins giving birth and a deity creating the world

I respect many people who do believe in the above

As I respect many people who don't

It's not way they believe it's what people do that is most important

Many good people are religious as many are not many can separate their beliefs from the work

cordeliavorkosigan · 04/09/2017 23:04

The problem isn't secularisation. The problem is the state-funded sanctioned pro-religious discrimination: despite this secularisation, 1/3 of maintained schools (and 1/4 of the pupils) attend faith schools. It's offensive and shouldn't be allowed. Only some of the population (more white than not, for example) can or are willing to pretend to be C of E or RC to access their schools; the rest have reduced school places and opportunities.

Orangeplastic · 04/09/2017 23:06

I might respect your right to worship but I don't respect your beliefs - I might not express that to you in real life but it's what I'm thinking. I feel the church and state need to separate. State schools should not be compelled to worship when the majority are non religious. Bishops should not have a seat in the house of Lords. The Queen should not be Head of State and Head of the Church of England.

PacificDogwod · 04/09/2017 23:08

Yes, I'd be much happier if there was no prayer and school services in my kids' state school.
I am all for Religious Education, I think it is important to understand how our world/politics/society was shaped, but it should be taught in combination with Ethics and Philosophy.

prh47bridge · 04/09/2017 23:09

According to the census, the number of people declaring as Satanists went up by around 25% from 2001 to 2011, so it is not unreasonable to say that Satanism is on the rise. However, the numbers involved are small - less than 3,000.

orlantina · 04/09/2017 23:10

Yes, I'd be much happier if there was no prayer and school services in my kids' state school

This - if people want to pray and worship, fine. I know how important it is.

There is NO JUSTIFICATION for a state religion and the special importance of religion in schools.

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DopeOnARope · 04/09/2017 23:11

Oh, I respect people's right to have a belief, but of course there are many, many beliefs that I have no respect for at all!

How can I begin to respect beliefs that underpin discrimination, inequality, cruelty etc? I must have the right to say what I think about those beliefs, whoever holds them.

It is shocking that blasphemy remains an offence and thus makes a mockery of our right to free speech in one part of the United Kingdom.

DopeOnARope · 04/09/2017 23:13

Pr47: I wonder how many Satanists are Jedi converts?

People do like to have a bit of a laugh in tne religion bit of the census.

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 04/09/2017 23:18

I cannot get my head around anyone believing in God. I've thought about it a lot and it astounds me that an adult would be taken in by it.

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