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to think we no longer live in a Christian country

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orlantina · 04/09/2017 21:41

More than 53% of people have no faith - according to a recent survey.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41150792

That figure changes to 71% amongst 18-25 yr olds.

It surveyed 3000 adults - so it would be interesting to look behind the stats but it seems that more than half the country have no religion.

Christianity is still probably the most common religion out there.

Should this have implications for areas of national life?

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Missymoo100 · 07/09/2017 22:05

Orlantina- disestablishment, along with constantly criticising the Christian faith is a way to try and eventually erase it.

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orlantina · 07/09/2017 22:09

disestablishment, along with constantly criticising the Christian faith is a way to try and eventually erase it

Can you justify an established link between the Church of England and the State - along with all the power and privilege that brings in a country where most people aren't Christian, let alone members of the Church of England?

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Missymoo100 · 07/09/2017 22:18

I think society is becoming hollow, self serving and miserable. Unprecedented levels of depression and mental health problems, even among children.
Groups being pitched up against each other as oppressed vs privileged- completely divisive and causing an introspective view.
And all the people who say the problems religion causes, how about the main causes- money, greed and that's always going to remain.
Society is broken, I think because it's losing its soul. I'd rather keep religion.

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orlantina · 07/09/2017 22:19

Society is broken, I think because it's losing its soul. I'd rather keep religion

So you can't justify the link between the State and the Church of England then...

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orlantina · 07/09/2017 22:21

Groups being pitched up against each other as oppressed vs privileged- completely divisive and causing an introspective view

Normal language for someone who uses the words 'political correctness'.

As I said, equality for all looks like loss of privilege to some.

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pointythings · 07/09/2017 22:30

Money, greed and established churches have pretty much always gone hand in hand...

And imo all religions are open to criticism. I certainly criticise all of them. I also critisise militant atheists of the 'sky fairy' variety.

You seem to want to live in a world where your faith is untouchable and nobody is allowed to express a negative opinion of it, Missymoo. So what you want is privilege...

ErrolTheDragon · 07/09/2017 22:32

Groups being pitched up against each other as oppressed vs privileged- completely divisive and causing an introspective view.

There have always been oppressed and privileged groups. Moreso in the past than now. But the divisions were so great, and the oppressed had so little voice, that the privileged could be totally introspective. Now the underdogs have a voice, and the privileged don't like it, be it MRAs, white supremacists or - generally less aggressively tbf - formerly dominant religions.

CardinalSin · 07/09/2017 22:36

"so we will be easier to control"

The church has been making people easier to control for centuries!

Missymoo100 · 07/09/2017 22:39

This sums it up
"The West is built on tolerant and compassionate Judeo-Christian values. But this ethos, this foundation of our society, is being eradicated".....and I don't think it will be for the better.

www.conservativewoman.co.uk/karen-harradine-persecuted-people-world-christians/?utm_content=buffer5cf46&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

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orlantina · 07/09/2017 22:42

The West is built on tolerant and compassionate Judeo-Christian values

Selling arms to Saudi and other regimes
Slavery
Exploitation
Capitalism

That's what the West is built on.

DESPITE the best efforts of the Church, we are now seeing more progress on women's rights, LGBT rights.

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orlantina · 07/09/2017 22:44

As the influence of the church has decreased, we have become a more tolerant society.

Coincendence?

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Missymoo100 · 07/09/2017 22:58

I disagree that we are more tolerant , I think the opposite as of late- people are just shouted down as a bigot for even daring to have an opinion on various issues.
I'm thankful for Christianity, I don't understand the need to pull it to pieces, along with the rest of British history, which seems to be the ongoing trend.

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orlantina · 07/09/2017 23:01

I disagree that we are more tolerant

I suspect there are many people who would have suffered prejudice and a lot worse only 20 - 30 years ago would disagree with you.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/09/2017 23:14

disestablishment, along with constantly criticising the Christian faith is a way to try and eventually erase it

Then how do you explain the situation in such places as America, where separation of church and state is an absolute given but where a vast and growing number of people attend church?

spanielsgaze · 07/09/2017 23:15

Once religion goes the standards will slip even further. Kids need a bit of moral guidance. I'm afraid we're on the decline. How very sad.

Oswin · 07/09/2017 23:23

Spaniel are atheists not capable of providing moral guidance?

ErrolTheDragon · 07/09/2017 23:28

Once religion goes the standards will slip even further. Kids need a bit of moral guidance. I'm afraid we're on the decline.

People have been saying that sort of thing about the degeneracy of the following generation for millennia, you know.

I wonder what 'standards' you mean exactly? The youth of today is 'generation sensible' - many are teetotal or very moderate drinkers, the majority for no religious reason. Teenage pregnancies have fallen.

Many take their education very seriously.

spanielsgaze · 07/09/2017 23:30

Not doing a very good job of it. Kids fighting in the classrooms, unruly behaviour, cheeky to the teachers, bad language. I can't help but see the connection. I couldn't be a teacher for a gold clock. So many kids are completely out of control, and it's getting worse.

spanielsgaze · 07/09/2017 23:34

My friends dgs, second day at high school, punched in the face by a boy in the year above, for absolutely no reason. Nose bleeding, it was awful. Some horrible kids about.

araiwa · 08/09/2017 05:11

The religious moral compass? Lol

It points to homophobia, slavery, genocide, subjugation of women to men...

Much better off without that

Firefries · 08/09/2017 05:21

I wouldn't give up everything, and say anything goes. There are religions that want to take over you know. Don't be too flippant.

araiwa · 08/09/2017 05:26

All religions want take over- thats what they do. So they can grab as much power and money as possible

And lets not forget how the church etc behaved when they were powerful-so yeah keep em out

It was only 50 years ago homosexual acts were illegal in the uk because of religion, today, women in ireland dont have the right to choose because of religion

Cailleach666 · 08/09/2017 06:54

Not doing a very good job of it. Kids fighting in the classrooms, unruly behaviour, cheeky to the teachers, bad language. I can't help but see the connection. I couldn't be a teacher for a gold clock. So many kids are completely out of control, and it's getting worse.

Spaniel you are way out of touch.

I see young people becoming more engaged in society, questioning inequality, having respect for each other,.
Youth crime is decreasing according to Home office figures, and has been doing so for several years.
Crime in general has been dropping for the past two decades.
You sound like a frothing DM reader.

Orangeplastic · 08/09/2017 07:19

Moral guidance did not stop church leaders from sexually abusing kid or nuns from physically and mentally abusing people in their care and you would have thought they'd have had moral guidance in buckets.

Cailleach666 · 08/09/2017 07:27

*The religious moral compass? Lol

It points to homophobia, slavery, genocide, subjugation of women to men...

Much better off without that*

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