To still not understand the Diana "thing"?

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As William and harry said they were bewildered by people who didn't even know her acting in the way they did. Yes it was sad that she was killed but to hand around kensington palace for days crying? Ridiculous.

Mittens, Mother Theresa was an absolute shitbag and the world is unquestionably better off without her.

I agree, her 'hospitals' were dying rooms in which palative care wasn't practices as she believed the poor's souls would be purified by suffering in death.

She secretly baptised the dying without their consent and seems to have been motivated by expanding the numbers of Catholics, rather than humanitarian work. The money raised by her actions largely went into missionary work rather than helping the dying.

She shouldn't have been Cannonised she should have been locked up.

Whether they liked it or not, Diana was a public figure and that comes with the territory. However painful

That's fairly harsh and insensitive when talking about two children who have just lost their mother so you can defend your right to weep and wail iand make a show of yourself n public. I'm fairly sure if you did feel anything for her, then respecting her children and controlling yourself would be uppermost in your mind, not a " fuck them, I'll cry if I want to".

Is that really true about Mother Theresa?

Inappropriate according to your belief's, not others.

Huge numbers of us believe it actually. Including I think Diana's own children - or do you think their genuine grief is less important that the feelings of people who never even met her? Because that's how it comes across.

I heard 2 sides to the story when people discussed her, she was very controversial. The canonisation aspect doesn't interest me; as a Christian who isn't a Catholic I believe all Christians are saints not just a few people who the current Pope thinks merits it.

But more would have been said about all this if we hadn't been so focused on Princess Diana. Honest debate is always good.

I find the various conspiracy theories around her death, especially the ones about the royal family having her killed, absolutely bizarre.

I mean, if you have the clout to have someone knocked off wouldn't you choose a more efficient method, with no variables that could affect the outcome?

as a Christian who isn't a Catholic I believe all Christians are saints not just a few people who the current Pope thinks merits it.

What, just because of what they believe? I respect and admire people who do good in the world. It is a matter of complete indifference to me whether they believe in a God or Gods or not. But then I don't believe in life after death (or God) so I don't have any truck with sainthood either.

Me too, flippinada. So many holes in this particular conspiracy theory it's like a colander. To start with, why would the Royal Family's first response to finding Diana a nuisance be to plan to have her murdered? She was already doing a lot of damage to her public standing by the way she was behaving. All they had to do was let her carry on in that way. She would probably have married again before long and like Jackie Kennedy Onassis that would have taken a lot of the shine off her public image.

Next, even if we suppose that the RF did want her murdered , who in MI6 would have thought it was a good idea to do it abroad, where they could have no influence on anyone to suppress any uncomfortable findings from the autopsy, inquest etc etc? Although to suggest that that could have been done here is pretty ludicrous too. She was one of the best known figures in the world. There would always have been intense scrutiny over her sudden death.

@flippinada, exactly! If Diana had been wearing a seatbelt she would have survived.

The conspiracy theories give me the absolute rage.

And finally, the RF really don't have that kind of clout anymore. They can't say off with her head these days, can they??

Let the woman be and let those who really knew her remember her in peace in their own way rather than having to stand around reading tributes from strangers.
The thing is though is that she was a public figure who courted publicity and was a member of the royal family. People feel the right to grieve openly for these people who are supported by the taxpayer. They can't have it all ways. The royals live a very privileged life, everything comes at a price, small in comparison to what they get in return, as it is.

'Mother Theresa was an absolute shitbag and the world is unquestionably better off without her
Can i ask why, what had she done wrong? genuine question.

Let the woman be and let those who really knew her remember her in peace in their own way rather than having to stand around reading tributes from strangers.
The thing is though is that she was a public figure who courted publicity and was a member of the royal family. People feel the right to grieve openly for these people who are supported by the taxpayer. They can't have it all ways. The royals live a very privileged life, everything comes at a price, small in comparison to what they get in return, as it is.**

I hear what you're saying, but there are limits. And it wasn't as if the boys ever asked to be in that position, is it?

Gasp0de and mittens

Well, exactly. If (I mean it wasn't, but just for arguments sake) it was on purpose they must have used the worlds crappiest professional assassin.

As long as the public continue with their strange obsession and mis-placed adoration of the unelected royal family the royals have nothing to fear. They'd soon be worried if everyone showed indifference.

Heart, credible reports from those who worked within her institutions, published in publications like The Lancet, and a big study by the University of Montreal in 2013, testify to a poor quality, unhygienic, unsafe medical care (despite the millions regularly donated, which went towards expanding the Order's missionary activities and were never properly accounted for), stealth baptisms of the dying, a lack of pain medication at her Order's clinics and hospices and no attempt to distinguish between curable and terminally ill patients, because of a philosophy of glorifying suffering rather than relieving it. (While she opted for leading US and European clinics for her own illnesses.) Not to mention her accepting donations/hobnobbing with oppressive regimes, and her dogmatic views on abortion, divorce, and contraception.

I remember it all too well for various reasons. But I never "got it" either.
I was away with friends at the time, and they all fell into wailing and gnashing of teeth style grief - beyond me. I was embarrassed for them. We had to come home the day after it happened, and they were still going on.

My mother was in ICU at the time (she had TOLD me to go away as she would be fine - she was) so she was more of a worry than Lady Di being killed in an RTA, tragic though that was in general terms of a 36yo mother being killed.

What REALLY drove me nuts though was the radio. I had to switch if off completely for a week, because they kept going on and on and on and ON about it, and playing that bastardisation of Candle in the Wind (which I used to quite like).

I worked the day of the funeral, with my 2 line managers. We were all of the same opinion and couldn't think of anything worse than watching it. Several of our colleagues were grateful to us for taking the duty though, so that they could watch it.

I never had any time for her back then; I thought she was manipulative and wasn't at all keen on her.

But what I have found, to my own interest and mild dismay, is that in watching the 20 years later shows, I'm feeling more sympathy for her! I don't know if that's because I'm now a mother myself or just because age brings more empathy (sometimes) - but I'm definitely not as hardline against her now as I used to be.

And yes, I watched the 20 years later show in Australia - I know they like to think they'd rather be a Republic, but for all that they show a remarkable level of interest in the Royals still, especially Diana and her sons.

Thank you MoGhile

This is yet another backpatting MN thread sneering about dreadful plebs.

I'm American so don't fully understand the class thing in the UK, in spite of having lived there (although Scotland so perhaps a bit different than England), but how is this the take that some people have from this thread?

Certainly watching the coverage in the US of Diana's death then and now, there does not seem to be any sort of class implication. It seemed that the whole country was mourning.

This thread is full of very strong opinions, none of which were aired at the time.

Well I for one expressed my disbelief at the level of hysteria at the time. Why would you think that no-one did?

Ok, what I meant is that nobody dared to say them out loud, or if they did they were given a very hard time about it. This thread would have been very different back then.

Lots of people at the time voiced their opinions that the hesteria of a few was ridiculous. I don't know anyone at the time from various generations that said more than that's a shame as it was on the news too much. It seems history is being re written by a percentage that were wailing in London. Many more in London were not.

I did think it was ridiculous and very embarrassing personally. I believe a lot were tourists, there were quite a few Americans who were interviewed anyway.