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Trump: yes, we have no Steve Bannon

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PerkingFaintly · 25/08/2017 15:08

"If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention."

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/09/2017 15:56

Kyle Griffin‏Verified account
@kylegriffin1
NYT: Officials said hackers didn't alter vote count, but Russian disruptions could have prevented people from voting

Software Glitch or Russian Hackers? Election Problems Draw Little Scrutiny

mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/01/us/politics/russia-election-hacking.html?referer=

Intelligence officials in January reassured Americans that there was no indication that Russian hackers had altered the vote count on Election Day, the bottom-line outcome. But the assurances stopped there.

Government officials said that they intentionally did not address the security of the back-end election systems, whose disruption could prevent voters from even casting ballots.

cozietoesie · 01/09/2017 15:58

I seem to recall that there are a couple of other systems which are being monitored, over and above Irma. (Currently sitting at 20% chance of development.) Sad

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/09/2017 16:00

Lifted from the Westministenders thread:

The article below doesn't actually link Cambridge Analytica with the decision to overturn the election so it seems a bit of a stretch to do so in the tweet but it's interesting nonetheless.

RynheartTheReluctant‏
@TheRynheart

Cambridge Analytica worked in Kenya to get Kenyatta elected. Supreme court just overturned b/c election hacking.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/09/01/kenyas-supreme-court-declares-presidential-election-result-null/624115001/

Background story.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40792078

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/09/2017 17:20

Standard disclaimers apply

Julia Davis‏
@JuliaDavisNews
#Russia's state TV says that Tillerson tried to soften the blow in his call with Lavrov, blaming Trump personally for RF consulate closures.

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=670&v=PotFG8EloSo

John Schindler‏Verified account @20committee

John Schindler Retweeted Julia Davis
OOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFF

That's harsh, bro.

Kremlin knows Trump is a Dead Man Walking. They're having fun with it now.

Julia Davis‏
@JuliaDavisNews
Replying to @20committee
Julia Davis Retweeted Julia Davis
They're being pretty explicit, too.

#Russia's state TV: "Trump is a political infant, who is being severely swaddled."
Female host adds: "and placed into geopolitical coffin."

CaveMum · 01/09/2017 18:02

Not sure if this has been linked to (been off radar for a few days), but Adam Schiff is introducing an amendment to prevent a President from profiting from the Secret Service.

twitter.com/repadamschiff/status/903394862799708161

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/09/2017 18:51

@benjaminwittes
This piece on impeachment myths by the @chongathon (whom #youshouldalsofollow) is really really worth your time:

www.lawfareblog.com/impeaching-trump-four-eternal-myths

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/09/2017 19:03

Holly O'Reilly
Holly O'Reilly @AynRandPaulRyan
🚨BREAKING:
Mueller Has Early Draft of Trump Letter Giving Reasons for Firing Comey

<a class="break-all" href="https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/01/us/politics/trump-comey-firing-letter.html?smid=tw-share&referer=t.co/aul3qgzpXn?amp=1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/01/us/politics/trump-comey-firing-letter.html?smid=tw-share&referer=t.co/aul3qgzpXn?amp=1

cozietoesie · 01/09/2017 19:09

Such a great site that. (lawfare.)

I'm not so interested in the content of Wittes' piece - excellent though it is - which strikes me as a 'grown-up' dinner table talk, as the timing of it. Now that really interests me. Smile

cozietoesie · 01/09/2017 19:11

When was the draft prepared? Smile

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/09/2017 19:16

Renato Mariotti @renato_mariotti
THREAD: What does the news that Mueller has a draft of a Trump letter explaining why he wanted to fire Comey mean for the obstruction case?
1/ Today @nytimes reported that Mueller has an early draft of a letter that Stephen Miller wrote at Trump's urging.
2/ According to the @nytimes Miller drafted the letter at a Trump golf course while he and aides were discussing a rationale to fire Comey.
3/ At the same time, the @nytimes reports, Sessions and Rosenstein were working on a parallel effort to fire Comey.
4/ The @nytimes also noted that the White House Counsel blocked the Miller letter because he thought its contents were problematic.
5/ So what does mean? Because the White House Counsel rejected the letter, an obvious implication is that he believed its contents were
6/ problematic from a legal perspective. The White House Counsel is a lawyer, not a pollster, after all.
7/ We will probably never know what the White House Counsel said because of attorney-client privilege, but the fact that he reviewed the
8/ letter and blocked it is not privileged. The letter's contents can be used as evidence of the President's intent when he fired Comey,
9/ and its rejection by the White House Counsel suggests that he was on notice that his conduct was legally problematic.
10/ That could help Mueller prove that Trump had "corrupt" intent when firing Comey. You can expect Miller to be heavily questioned about
11/ the letter--the fact that Mueller has the letter suggests that executive privilege has been waived, and Mueller could probably overcome
12/ it in any event. Every participant in those conversations will be asked about what the President said and what he was told by others
15/ Also, as @rgoodlaw noted in the tweet below, Miller may have implicated himself through his actions.

Ryan Goodman
Ryan Goodman @rgoodlaw
Big implication from NYT scoop:

Stephen Miller perhaps implicated in conspiracy to obstruct justice
(DJT then an unindicted co-conspirator)

16/ If Miller agreed with Trump to obstruct justice, that's a crime called conspiracy and he's responsible for the acts of a co-conspirator.
17/ If he knew about obstruction and helped it succeed, that's also a crime--it's called aiding and abetting. So even if Mueller can't
18/ indict the President, there might still be an obstruction indictment given the involvement of others in the conduct.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/09/2017 19:19

Yes, this came out a few days ago

lawfareblog.com/its-time-congress-needs-open-formal-impeachment-inquiry

cozietoesie · 01/09/2017 19:24

They're relying a lot - in general terms - on the Founders. Smile

lionheart · 01/09/2017 19:48

Hello to the delurkers. Smile

Just catching up on the thread and I have to say, the reference to a 'dead duck' in the shape of Trump cheered me no end.

Thank you Across and the IRS. Wink

Redactio · 01/09/2017 19:56

I love these "We love democracy until the voters get it wrong threads"
The only way to stop people like Trump getting elected is to stop elections.

Redactio · 01/09/2017 20:02

Paininthe*
The article in your link looks as if it was written by a 15 year old

cozietoesie · 01/09/2017 20:06

Thank Goodness the Barker Dam held. (Which appears to be the case.)

Sleipnirthewonderhorse · 01/09/2017 20:17

Redactio Elections occur once every four years. We're still allowed to be interested in politics the rest of the time.

Redactio · 01/09/2017 20:25

Sleip*
Being interested in politics is one thing, trying to overturn the result of democratic elections is another.
We could merge this with the Brexit threads.

lionheart · 01/09/2017 20:29

No, we couldn't.

Redactio · 01/09/2017 20:35

Oh yes we could!

badbadhusky · 01/09/2017 20:40

Oh goody. Our very own pantomime "break" in the middle of the thread. Can I join in?

He's behind you!

Redactio · 01/09/2017 20:43

Oh no he isn't!
Is he boys and girls?

cozietoesie · 01/09/2017 20:49

That, of course, assumes that Irma doesn't make landfall in the same place as Harvey.

ringle · 01/09/2017 20:52

Redaction.

If only we could merge this with Brexit.

Hillary would have one by 3m votes.

ringle · 01/09/2017 20:52

Sorry for autocorrect...