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Trump: yes, we have no Steve Bannon

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PerkingFaintly · 25/08/2017 15:08

"If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention."

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cozietoesie · 27/08/2017 17:03

Sorry. Portugal and Venezuela.

cozietoesie · 27/08/2017 17:05

She's 'stuck' there - for whatever reasons. I disregard her.

lionheart · 27/08/2017 17:23

I did not know about the current Portugese links.

Why do you think that cozie? (Can't even believe the question has to be asked, but with this one, the stupidity is deep.)

Lweji · 27/08/2017 17:25

Regarding the "child king" article.

I don't know if Republicans are approaching the problem from the right angle.
OK, maybe they will never get a majority of Republican voters to condemn Trump. But that's because there's no Republican alternative ATM. Trump is viewed as opposed to Hillary, Obama or the Democrats.
I think that Republicans need to find their own candidate and stick to him or even her. I suspect Trump benefited from the infighting between Cruz, Bush, Rubio and Kasich. He emerged as the non-establishment candidate, to do away with those usual candidates. A shake up candidate.
Republicans need, IMO, a proven doer. Someone who can talk to Democrats and get things done. But someone who is not their usual Congress fodder.
I'll go out on a limb and go for a Republican Governor with a good reputation among Democrats and a good record regarding jobs and socially, as well as budget balance. I just don't know if such a person exists. Grin

Lweji · 27/08/2017 17:30

I forgot about the close ties between Portugal and Brazil,

That's a definite. :)

We have large (compared to our size) emigrant communities in many countries, including the US, France, Germany, etc. The Portuguese in Venezuela come mostly from Madeira.
That is one reason why I have been following what's happened in Venezuela for a while, but also because we used to have scientific collaborations there. They had a thriving community.

cozietoesie · 27/08/2017 17:36

I guess that that's why I made the first mistake. Wink

PerkingFaintly · 27/08/2017 18:07

Hope your SIL is doing OK, saffron.

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orlantina · 27/08/2017 18:09

I see they have arrested someone who shot at a crowd and the police did nothing. One of the arguments the NRA makes is that you can shoot terrorists if you open carry. I bet they think everyone should open carry just to stop this kind of thing happening Hmm

Lweji · 27/08/2017 18:36

But if you open carry a loaded and ready gun, couldn't you be considered dangerous and a possible terrorist that could be shot on sight by the police?
I bet they would if a bearded muslim man carried.

goose1964 · 27/08/2017 18:49

Having a hurricane with the same name as my grandson has made for some inappropriately hilarious reading on this thread

cozietoesie · 27/08/2017 18:53
Wink

Remind me. Didn't 45's proposed 2018 budget include large FEMA cuts? Smile

orlantina · 27/08/2017 18:53

I bet they would if a bearded muslim man carried

There's the rub. I would love to see the NRA defend the police when they shoot dead a Muslim open carrying but then criticise the police for arresting someone else who was open carrying.

I have no doubt that's happened for the BME community in the USA.

I would also love to see what happened if "a bearded Muslim" walked into a gun shop to buy an assault rifle - could they claim discrimination if the owner refused to sell him one?

AcrossthePond55 · 27/08/2017 18:53

Good point Lweji. I was thinking the same thing when watching a BLM rally. I'll bet if the black participants had been legally carrying AR15s and other semi-automatic weapons the police response would have been very different. As would the attitude of WS and alt-right groups. They wouldn't be bleating about the 2nd Amendment rights of those black citizens to 'bear arms'. They'd be screaming about gangs, 'getting guns away from criminals', and 'that's why WE have to have our guns'.

Off topic but I just checked the 'unfollow trump' twitter feed. He really is all over the place today, isn't he?

cozietoesie · 27/08/2017 18:55

He can't control nature, that's why. Smile

AcrossthePond55 · 27/08/2017 18:57

Yep, he did cozie

blog.ucsusa.org/rachel-cleetus/4-ways-president-trumps-budget-takes-aim-at-fema-and-disaster-preparedness

Looks like the cuts are to do with preparedness rather than emergency response. But you probably don't need emergency response if you're prepared now, do you?

Lweji · 27/08/2017 19:04

And in the same way that disaster preparedness is relevant, so is research into, ahem, climate change (human-made or otherwise), particularly regarding what to expect and how to prepare for it.

But, no, you better just not mention it. He's 70 anyway. It won't affect him.

cozietoesie · 27/08/2017 19:05

Ah Yes. I had a figure of $600 billion high plus in my mind. (I 'think' that was a 'b'.)

InigoTaran · 27/08/2017 19:09

So are we heading for a Mad Max-style future? I don’t think so. After having lived through Donald Trump we’ll surely just call him Max. Trump is behaving so strangely, we’re probably about a month away from not being allowed to make jokes about him. He’s gone past Charlie Sheen and we’re now entering the bald Britney phase. It’s hard to imagine how America can go back to having a normal president after this. The next president will have to be a car with guns for wheels. After Trump, a Saturday Night Live sketch about Mike Pence would look like something by Samuel Beckett.

Trump is sort of like Father Dougal killed a man, so is wearing Father Jack as a disguise. He looks like the image burned into your retina should you watch a completely normal man burst into flames. Even on an HDTV he looks like a sixth generation VHS recording. A president with the temperament of a wasp that’s spent 40 minutes on musical hold, his Twitter feed reads like he’s building up a credible insanity defence for when he’s finally impeached. It’s not just that he lives on Twitter, he embodies it: digressive, petty, trivial, poisonous and self-aggrandising. He basically speaks like a totally random stream of tweets. One minute he’s on Mexicans, then he’s talking about his shoes, then a threat, then a joke about a cat.

Last week he held a rally in Phoenix, Arizona – possibly because he thought he’d blend in to a state that is orange, desolate and has a cavernous gap in its heart so huge, people travel the world just to gasp and cry. Phoenix is best known for the song By The Time I Get To Phoenix (She’ll Be Rising), in this case referring to Lilitu the she-demon of the apocalypse. Trump delivered one of his random rightwing word collages in front of a crowd who if they were any whiter would have had carrots for noses.

Under investigation by the FBI, Trump is now at war with intelligence in two ways
Imagine standing up in Arizona and talking about preserving white culture: a state so recently colonised that the dry cleaners still offer a smallpox cleansing service. White guys have only been in Arizona for 150 years – that’s not even enough time to fill a Costa loyalty card. He’s literally standing in Apache land, 150 years after their genocide, talking about protecting American culture; standing amid a culture people like him destroyed, talking about building a wall, like Simon Cowell launching the next series of The X Factor in the Cavern Club.

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But what else can we expect from Trump – he doesn’t get his history from reading, he gets it from staring at lumps of stone. A statue to Robert E Lee? If they want to look up to a white guy who’s rubbish at attack and can’t remember which side he’s on, we can send James Milner over there to stand on a box. Arizona is on the Mexican border, meaning his shouting the word “WALL” goes down very well, especially since they know they can get better quality drugs through their border with Hollywood. People will still try to jump over whatever makeshift fence he finally manages to put up. All Trump is doing is turning America into a giant Glastonbury; there’s a headliner no one approves of, but you’ll still go for Dolly Parton and the van making smoothies.

Obviously, Trump’s pivot to Afghanistan is depressing. The only comfort to Trump getting in was that he intended to keep his horrific Armageddon packed tightly within his walled up, hermetically sealed Thunderdome America. I suppose this is the kind of consistency we should expect from someone who can’t finish a sentence. Under investigation by the FBI, he is now at war with intelligence in two ways. It’s hard to pick out a single low point of the Trump presidency, but it seems like the KKK now feel relaxed enough to march without their hoods. “Jews will not replace us!”? Looks like if your sister keeps saying no, nobody will mate.

Can we even think of Trump in terms of intent? Aren’t we then like those shamans who used to project anger on to erupting volcanoes? Maybe Trump is a kind of cry for help from the Earth, a human flare. Or perhaps he has been produced by the Earth to destroy mankind, and his personality is actually nature’s critique of humanity. How fitting that life on Earth will be extinguished by a reality TV host, over a mediocre golf-club burger at his nuclear winter White House, a kind of 3-star Black Lodge.

The US has always been balanced on uneasy contradictions. Even the constitution promises both the right to freedom of speech and the freedom to have a gun to shoot people who annoy you. Right at the heart of its contradictions are the twin ideas of liberty and enslavement, its founding principles of “freedom” and “but not for everybody”.

If I had to guess what was at the forefront of the minds of the American right at the moment, I’d say voter suppression. It doesn’t matter that the US has a rhetorical attachment to democracy. Through its actions as a state it has long undermined any connection between its stated ideals and its actions. I think the US will now face a long struggle to avoid a slide into totalitarianism, led of course by people calling themselves libertarians.
( That was Frankie Boyle, UK comedian, thought it warranted posting in full!)

cozietoesie · 27/08/2017 19:13

That figure may be only (!) $600 plus million. In FEMA cuts.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 27/08/2017 19:35

Trump's new man for us lucky Brits.
(The Daily Fail article I've linked to as well is a bit more... 'personal'!)

Trump's man in London: Woody Johnson jets in as ambassador to UK
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/26/woody-johnson-trump-uk-ambassador-new-york-jets

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4017400

cozietoesie · 27/08/2017 19:43

I can never think of a US ambassador to the UK without recalling that movie. Grin

TheNorthWestPawsage · 27/08/2017 20:27

The Omen?

badbadhusky · 27/08/2017 20:34

Yeah, which film?

cozietoesie · 27/08/2017 21:15

Yep. That's the one. The Omen. Smile

TheNorthWestPawsage · 27/08/2017 21:23

Oh ha! If only Damien was the worst thing we had to worry about.