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ExH and Daughters phone.

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Whatjusthappenedexactly · 24/08/2017 00:39

I need to know if IABU. DD14 is very upset.
Been divorced 3 years. Acrimonious despite my best efforts for it not to be. I have honestly tried to keep the peace because I was the one who left . If it's relivant, DD lives with Dad term time due to schooling. She comes to us EOW and 3/4 of the school holidays. I have dinner with her weekly. I pay maintenance via the CMO because after the split he realised he could demand it any way despite a massive pay difference between me and EXH ( me less than him). He pays for her phone.

When she comes to my new home all is well apart from the texts she receives from her Dad.

Firstly, I have no access to her phone as it's a finger print entry. She is under strict instruction not to tell me the number pass lock. That in itself has caused grief but in the end I have let it go.

Her younger brother's phone can be unlocked without a finger print and he's told me the code. ExH has a history of texting offensive remarks about me that cause a lot of upset. I got into the habit of not looking any more as I only got upset and then the whole house suffered. However, tonight, my DS showed me a remark about me which upset him. I promptly asked to see DD phone and after many tears and protests she accessed it for me. The insults about me, my chosen activitities, our dogs names offensively misspelt were multiple. DD never pulls him up but in her defence she never agrees, just ignores and answers politely.
I had to leave ExH because of his bullying so these texts feel like bullying all over again. I'm also having problems with DD attitude toward me which could be age related, but I do hear my ExH in a lot of what she says. I'm now left wondering if it's these texts that makes her believe she can say what she likes to undermine me.

Additionally, when ExH telephones at night the atmosphere goes dark. We can tell from the children's answeres he's interrogating them and not really interested in what they have done that may be good. We can hear questions from him regarding meal times, bed times, activity levels , TV watching. If they give an answer that can't be picked apart he moves them on and picks on something else. For example, my Dad is terminally ill so we drive a fair distance a few times a week to see him. I combine this trip with a chance to see the children's friends but he's very critical of the bed times and lengthy car journeys. This is just one example. I'm left with the same feeling I had when we were married, that I can't do anything right. If it's relivent I spend every waking moment with the children when they are with us. We swim, walk, beach, bake I even Pokémon hunt because it's the best form of exercise we can get my son to engage in but ExH is really horrible about this to both the children as he seems to have something against it. DS is overweight so as far as I'm concerned if it gets him walking who cares if it's catching Pokémon.

Anyhow, I cracked tonight after seeing a text that called me rude and stupid... texted directly to the children over a pick up time by me where I was accused of being late ( I wasn't late ). I've told my DD no more privacy with regard to her phone. I want to see every text conversation with her Dad.

I've also texted my ExH and told him the insults have to stop or the phones will be confiscated. I wouldn't stop him from calling the children obviously but he'd have to go through my phone.

The problem with this is he will reciprocate when the children leave me and talking to them will become impossible.

My own DH has already threatened to take the children's phone away because of the upset. Honestly, when ExH is on the phone you can cut the atmosphere with a knife.

I have totally lost it tonight. For me, it's as though my ExH has a direct line into my new home to press my buttons and upset me. It took a lot for me to leave him and he's still getting into my home and head despite my best efforts.

If I remove the phone completely he will do the same when they are with him. If I continue to allow his texts into the home I'm not free of him. It's causing upset between myself the children and DH as the tension is ridiculous.

We have been to court once and I asked that a clause was put in place to try and prevent these types of texts. It was put in the order that neither of us would disparage the other ( I wasn't but that was the wording regardless). He's breaking the order but while my Dad is so ill I can't face going back to court. I will have to gobback eventually as he won't let me have the children's pass ports or change a few other minor details.

Until then what do I do about the phones.m? I've texted him tonight asking for him to stop. Pointed out it's upsetting our children but it's been going on for 3 years so it's unlikely to change.

AIBU to expect my DD14 to make him put an end to it or take away the phones. DS wouldn't miss his phone but DD will see it as the end of the world.

I feel like the bully of a man is back in my home and I can't cope. Hoping no one suggests I ignore as I have tried for a year but it's still coming and I can't ignore it any more. Not when I try so hard to be a good parent and my Dad is so ill. Having every action undermined by his nasty comments has worn me away again.

OP posts:
Underthemoonlight · 24/08/2017 07:14

I think you would claim your kids back and either move near their school or move to a new school

You effectively left your abuser that's grand but you left your kids with theirs
They are the middle of a war and it's not fair
Your dd is growing up surrounded by anxiety and secret keeping it has to stop

He isn't a great dad though is he is being emotionally abusive towards their dm and that's just not rxt messages heaven knows what he's saying when they are at home with them. I would be disappointed if my dm choose to move out fonmy catchment area and atleast didn't give me the option of living with her. Surely you and your new husband come move back. Look at it from your dc perspective you left their dad and moved out of the area and now remarried whilst they are stuck between both parents.

NapQueen · 24/08/2017 07:17

. I pay maintenance via the CMO because after the split he realised he could demand it any way despite a massive pay difference between me and EXH ( me less than him)

You shouldnt have to have this demanded of you. The children dont live with you ft or 50:50 and as such you ought to be paying it. Regardless of anything else at all.

Whatjusthappenedexactly · 24/08/2017 07:21

Can I just say my ExH was a low grade bully to me and only me. No way would I have sat down and discussed then followed through a living arrangement that left them with an abuser. Our marriage failed but he was then and still is a good hands on Dad with a family around him that put our children first and foremost in all they do. i couldn't do that so it seemed fairer for me to step back pretty much in the way a lot of fathers do when a marriage fails. it looked logical at the time.

OP posts:
sashh · 24/08/2017 07:24

Get each of them an unlocked phone that you have access to. When they arrive they can take the sim out of their existing phone and put it in the new one.

Their own phones then get locked away until they leave. Do not let them delete texts. Every time they receive a text from their dad think to yourself, "another one to hang you with"

You can also get an app that automatically records all calls, it might be worth installing one.

Then call childline. This has to be having an impact on your children and they should be able to point you to the best place to get help if it is not them.

kateandme · 24/08/2017 07:25

with regards to your daughter.could you sit her down.calmy and just say.im your mum.and I don't want to be agasint your dad.but I'm still your mum and I love you.so I want to let you know that whatever is said its not always true.that if someone is being bithcy or spreading nasty noise about me your not always to believe it.nor will I allow it to be brought into this household and put against me. judge me on how I act to you not on how your told things of me. turn to me not against me because I love you. but I cant accept any behaviour that I think might be mimicking of others that have hurt me in the past. expeically unwarrentsed.i have been here and will continue to always.i love you so much ok.come to me.ask me if your unsure or have told of thing being said about me or something I might have done.let us talk..... something similar was said to my cousin and it help her so much.just helped her see thing little more clearly.that her mum was there and also that my aunt wasn't the problem here.

HopefullyAnonymous · 24/08/2017 07:27

He's really not a good dad Hmm

Underthemoonlight · 24/08/2017 07:27

Most woman find other alternatives that include their dc rather than just moving away from them. Did you move away to be with your new dh by any chance?

Your minimising your ex here you are not part of the household anymore so your not aware of what is going on in the household which if he's being abusive about you their dm which is damaging over text then of course he be vocal at home with them,if not more so.I also agree with maintenance it should have been paid accordingly not demanded.

perper · 24/08/2017 07:33

I'm not entirely comfortable with some of the replies here- I think if OP had been a man, and it was the ex wife speaking badly of the husband here, I doubt people would be saying 'why did you leave your children with an abuser?'

I think (and I don't mean this with any disrespect to OP) there is probably a huge amount of backstory here so we don't have the full picture. The OP has left the family home and says her ex is in all other ways a brilliant dad. Let's not try to form a different interpretation from that.

Clearly the guy is a douche- we all know that it's harmful to slate one parent off to the children. However the correct response is not to drag the children into it. I'm curious as to why DD has previously been told not to give OP her passcode, but it suggests something has happened in the past.

The children are currently stuck between their mum (who, if I'm brutally honest, I interpreted as behaving a little hysterically- understandable, but definitely not an ideal reaction) and their dad, who generally cares for them well but has no respect for their mum.

The discussion needs to happen between the adults, and the children should be oblivious to that. It needs to be mature, and the focus has to be what is best for the children, not what seems fair for the adults.

It is incredibly unfair to demand that the children cannot have private text conversations with their father- that really is highly inappropriate to expect. They should feel like their contact with each parent is personal to them. Yes, he's saying stuff he shouldn't in that, but that doesn't give you the right to read through their private conversations unfortunately.

I'm sorry you're going through this OP, and I really hope you manage to sort it out. Please be careful though how you do that and try not to react emotionally again if you can help it Smile

stayathomegardener · 24/08/2017 07:34

I personally would buy them both top of the range new phones to use when with you and insist they left there other phones at their Dads.
Block him on the new phones and the landline. If he needs to get in touch it would be courteously via your mobile.

It might be worth keeping copies and sending a solicitors letter first explaining this is what will happen if he can't control his abusive messages.

I imagine your ex would reciprocate and you may not be able to talk to the children when they are with him but you may find your children would welcome the complete division.

Cakefortea1 · 24/08/2017 07:36

Why does he have to call them when they are with you? I don't call my teenagers when they are with their Dad unless I need to ask a question for some reason.

Neutrogena · 24/08/2017 07:37

He's a Narc - good luck OP. Not much you can do. Soon your children will be adults.

Headofthehive55 · 24/08/2017 07:38

Hmm.
I'm not sure you should really be accessing your children's phones. The texts between their father and them are private.
Yes it will affect their behaviour towards you. Lower your expectations. The children will see you as having left not just their father, but them too. Their lives will have altered - and probably not for the better.
Lots of children at this age stop wishing to see the non resident parent.
try and make the times with you happy. It only makes you angry to find those texts - I'm not surprised they don't want to show them to you. You are best off ignoring them.

Headofthehive55 · 24/08/2017 07:43

Just read that your own Dh has threatened to take their phones away? I don't think it's up to him. How awful. Show me your phone or I'll take it away? That's bullying. You will be lucky to continue to have them visit.

Alittlepotofrosie · 24/08/2017 07:43

Stop putting your poor children in the middle of your relationship with their father. It's not on to demand to go through their phones and then cause the whole house to suffer because you didn't like what you saw. yeah he's an arse. You already know that. Stop digging about for his insults towards you and then emotionally punishing your children for what their father said. You need to stop making it all about yourself and think about the effect that their fathers (and your) actions are having on the children having to referee between the two of you. How do you think your kids feel now? Guilty? Responsible for you getting upset? Poor bloody kids.

perper · 24/08/2017 07:46

In terms of how to move forward...

You say (I think- I may have misinterpreted) that DS showed you a text from dad with no prompting? In which case a good way of dealing with it in the future would just be to say off-hand 'oh, that's not very nice, I respect him more than that' but try your best not to show that you're upset.

Then you can ring him and say 'Look, DS has just showed me your texts- it's really important that we stick to the terms of the agreement as it's hugely detrimental to them seeing their parents slag each other off. I am always incredibly respectful when talking about you- could you please do the same? They find it really uncomfortable, no one likes to hear nasty things about either of their parents'

Keep it calm, polite, respectful, and most of all do not allow him to realise that you are upset - if he's a bully and really does despise you, that's not going to make him stop. Presumably though the most likely way of getting him to stop is to make it about the children, not about you.

Please, though, don't take away the children's right to a private relationship with their father. That just puts them in a much worse position and they are not responsible for his derision of you. Don't demand to know what he's saying, don't check up on their conversations. I know it's hard as it's a personal attack on you, but your children are more important. Make it about them and remind him of how separated parenting affects children when the parents are disrespectful of each other.

Hope you feel better about it soon!

GinandGingerBeer · 24/08/2017 07:47

I can see you're just going to defend him as a father. But a bully is a bully, they're being non commital in their responses/answering politely to him slagging you off. Why do you think that is then? Because they're scared of him.
Please wake up, and get your kids.

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Faithless12 · 24/08/2017 07:52

I can't believe people are saying you shouldn't look at your child's phone. That's how so much cyber bullying goes undetected.
I will agree however that you shouldn't be looking at messages with their dad, if he's texting them these messages what do you think he's saying to them?

perper · 24/08/2017 07:54

I can see you're just going to defend him as a father. But a bully is a bully, they're being non commital in their responses/answering politely to him slagging you off. Why do you think that is then? Because they're scared of him. Please wake up, and get your kids.

No one here other than the OP is in a position to say that the children should be with him/her/anyone else. OP agreed to the custody arrangements and has repeatedly said he is a good dad. Clearly there is a problem with the adults in the relationship, but can we stop with the nonsense that 'children must be with their mum' as soon as there's a hint that the dad's not perfect?

They are NOT scared of him. They are scared of upsetting a parent. They naturally want to keep both parents happy. Children don't like fighting parents. Children don't like upset parents. Children don't like feeling that they're in the middle of an argument or that they're a go-between for shitty comments. THAT is the problem here.

5rivers7hills · 24/08/2017 07:58

Generally a man who 'hates' the mother of his children and behaves in such a way is not going to stay a 'god father' for long.

perper · 24/08/2017 08:00

Huppopapa I agree with a lot of what you've said, but...

perper's suggestion that it is unfair for children not to have private conversations is a good example of unthinking. I have dealt with plenty of sex offences where an adult has urged a child to keep their conversations private, and in many cases the child has resisted intrusion. If it is indeed 'incredibly unfair' for a child not to have private conversations then the offenders in question should have been permitted to escape prosecution?

There is absolutely NO suggestion here that the father is abusing his daughter, and I find that insinuation really distasteful. OP has not demanded to check the phone because she is concerned that the dad is abusing the daughter- she has demanded to see it because she's upset that there are comments about her behind her back. That is not an acceptable reason to remove the child's right to a private relationship with a parent.

I would never say that parents should never check children's phones. I actually don't think children have an automatic right to privacy- I think their safety is far more important and am generally in the group that says 'Check everything! No privacy!'. However in this context it is not acceptable for OP to check her daughter's phone simply because OP is upset or offended by comments about her. That is nothing to do with safeguarding of a child- that puts the child in a far more difficult position and is more emotionally harmful.

Lemonycakes · 24/08/2017 08:06

I have to say that honestly, demanding codes to your children's phones (especially your 14 year old DD), and saying that they either show their messages or you remove their phones IS controlling and bullying behaviour in itself, so I don't think this situation is nearly as straight forward as it seems.

You always said that your ex had text your daughter to say you were 'stupid and rude' - stupid is insulting, but were you rude at all?

If you are being completely honest here, do you ever bad mouth your ex to your kids when they are with you? I'm finding it's very difficult to imagine you demand to go through their phones without making your feelings about your ex known to be honest.

Hissy · 24/08/2017 08:07

You actually left the kids with this awful man?

You couldn't bear his abuse so left.

How the fuck do you think they will do any better? When this is all they've known.

He's poison. He'll ruin their lives and relationships and there is very little that can be done now to undo the damage they've suffered.

Get them the fuck out of there.

Huppopapa · 24/08/2017 08:09

Context is everything perper. Thank you for that clarification. Cake The danger is in making absolute statements when you don't mean them... Smile

perper · 24/08/2017 08:22

Huppopapa The danger is in making absolute statements when you don't mean them... I'm not sure I did make any absolute statements- they were all in relation to the specific situation that the OP is in, but perhaps I should add a caveat in future to be doubly sure... Smile

Hissy I'm really disappointed that that's what you've taken from this Sad Without wanting to repeat my previous posts... I think you've put two and two together and come up with 32,567.

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