To think they should just ban nuts on all flights

[Ijustwantaquietlife]

Just reading this and it's heartbreaking, seems like such a simple change to ban nuts on all flights to help protect people.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

I've heard several people on mn saying they've been on flights where they were banned, seams to make sense as nut allergies are so widespread to just ban all together imo.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

Why are people still fucking quoting myths or lies or infactal information NOT ALL allegy suffers react the same to the same amounts.

Are you telling my son nearly dying wasnt due to the person in front opening the dryroasted nuts then tell me why he reacted like that and ended in hospital?

This is exactly the same as spreading other such myths as facts and how fucking dangerous it is you should be ashemed saying its a lie or myth that airborne algegies dont exist when in fact they do is fucking shocking.

I am sorry i am swearing so much but this really gets on my nerves when people attempt to spread myths as fact its exactly the same level of rubbish when spreading rape myths

i dont mind not eating thm i too wonder where this influx of nut allrgy came from-is it when they were telling mothers not to eat them whilst pregant which was obvviously wrong and caused mor babies to react when they eventually had one?

sorry if its already been post a rstuarnt owner in th uk recently got found guilty of manslaughter for serving nut based curries when he stated he didnt and a man died

Sorry i am bowing out of this thread its really upseting me how people are so uncaring / cavalier with other peoples lives.

This thread should be used as evidence why blanket bans should happen because people cannot be trusted to be considete for peoples lives.

Please people try to consider others i am begging you i dont want my son to die before because someone fancied some peanuts on a flight.

Fresh. Sources for your quotations please?

I can't imagine peanut butter makes dust but nuts can. My son's friend had a very severe allergy and, as I said, didn't go into anaphylaxis but had a bad reaction. I imagine the little cracks and crevices below airline seats Harbour quite a collection which small fingers found. After that the poor child was strapped in firmly!

Re why allergies are more common now. Lots of research going on but two comments. Not too many years ago many children didn't make it to adulthood dying of measles or similar many of them may have had over reactive immune systems - this I was told by our immunologist.

Secondly it has always existed as I've said before there is a cave drawing in ancient Egypt of a pharaoh dying after a bee sting. Death certificates in the past often said "seizure" or "apoplexy" all sorts of vague terms which would be more specific today.

Here are a couple of quotes from medicine.net.com:

	The first documented case of presumed anaphylaxis occurred in 2641 BC when Menes, an Egyptian pharaoh, died mysteriously following a wasp or <a class="break-all" href="http://www.medicinenet.com/insect_sting_allergies/article.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hornet sting</a>. Later, in Babylonian times, there are two distinct references to deaths due to wasp stings.
	Charles Richet was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1913 for his work on anaphylaxis.

Not new....

@Fresh8008 so, given those "facts" you posted, how come people have had severe reactions on planes and other closely confined spaces?

This thread should be used as evidence why blanket bans should happen because people cannot be trusted to be considete for peoples lives

Yep, this thread perfectly shows why a blanket ban is needed.

@Fresh8008 so, given those "facts" you posted, how come people have had severe reactions on planes and other closely confined spaces?

Yes, I'd be curious to know how that's explained too. For example, the little baby up thread reacting to her Dad who was sat next to her eating something with nuts in.
Can't "attention seek" or put it on at that age as some are suggesting.

Posting shite as "facts" with no source is stupid and dangerous.

Incidentally my friends mum had an awful reaction to some nuts served on holiday. She's in her 60's and had never reacted prior. She was quickly treated with adrenaline and now carries he epipen everywhere

Also I wouldn't believe all you read regarding 'cabin air'

Absolutely ban nuts on flights.
People won't accept how devastating even a tiny bit of airborne dust can be for someone with a severe allergy. It's ignorance at best and nastiness at worst.

Sorry
And it not being re circulated

As an aside, did anyone watch the programme last night about the training of Easyjet pilots? They have 25 minutes to turn a plane around ready for take off. I can't imagine much sanitising of the tables goes on.

Disclaimer - I was not eating nuts whilst watching the programme

Correct

Sometimes not even time for a quick hoover

A few years ago on Mumsnet there was a thread - two threads actually - where people who had allergies, or had children with allergies, shared stories about friends or relatives who deliberately fed them the food they were allergic to. One child ended up in hospital on a ventilator, iirc, because his grandparents had fed him peanuts.

It was astonishing to read. It seemed to be the case that a lot of people concerned think that allergies don't really exist, or that people who have them are exaggerating or being melodramatic. And therefore if they secretly, say, give a child a cake that has tiny amounts of nuts in it that the child doesn't know about, the child won't have an allergic reaction. Because, they seem to think, the only thing causing an allergic reaction is the fussy, over-protective mum making a big song-and-dance about it.

At the time I found it hard to believe that so many people could be that stupid. But this thread has proved it all over again.

I was one of those apparently mythical children allergic to nuts in the 70s and 80s (born in 75). And my grandmother baked a cake using chocolate she knew contained hazelnuts (milka) to prove to me it was "all in my head".

Luckily I noticed the wrapper in the bin before I had some (I was 9).

Like a PP said, it's not just a case of having your epipen on you. It buys you time but not much and you need an ambulance. Last time I had to use my epipen, just 10 minutes later I was fighting for breath again. Luckily the ambulances arrived and I was in hospital very quickly. I am very lucky.

I flew for the first time in a decade on Saturday. My fear of flying took my mind off the nut risk though!

Yes they should ban nuts on all flights. But even if people eat them before a flight, it can still trigger an allergy

Thank you lazycrazyhazy for some good input for debate.

Such a pity it soon gets lost amidst all the emotional posts which add nothing whatsoever to the discussion.

I too look forward to hearing from Fresh8008 for sources on those ‘facts’.

How thick do you have to be to believe allergies don't exist or that people do it for 'attention' (never quite understood what this means..)?

Of course allergies have always existed, it's just that for a long time we didn't actually know what they were. Any deaths as a result of an allergic reaction would have been put down as a 'seizure' 'choking' or something equally as vague because they didn't know the actual cause.

I bloody despair at the human race sometimes. Some of us are absolutely horrible, stupid, ignorant, arrogant and selfish at times.

This is serious if you have been close to it, our friends teenage daughter has a serious nut allergy, when flying last week and boarding, they asked their to be an announcement to all passengers to refrain from eating anything with nuts in, a move that surprised me ! If someone having eaten nuts in the last few hours or more puts their hand on her armrest and this is transferred to her arm, a trip to hospital is likely to be needed within hours, not easy half way across the Atlantic ! She's healthy apart from this and some people think she should be banned from all flying, nice for a 15 year old !

The airline can't do anything about what people eat before (and it's a much lower risk anyway), but they can control what is served on their flight.

Of course allergies exist. Some are mild (I have mild allergies) and some are extreme (life threatening). We all need to help the people with life threatening allergies and avoiding nuts on a plane would help so no big deal to just ban them for the flight - what is the bid deal about banning for the flight?

However, there are also the parents who love to exaggerate which do no favours to people who have genuine life threatening allergies. An example a child in secondary school had a 'milk allergy' apparently meant he would struggle to breathe but ate pizza most days for lunch containing cheese. When questioned boy say oh cheese is ok it is only milk! Seriously.

Comparable to the autism exaggerations - again a spectrum some have mild autism and no learning disability and some have severe autism with learning disability but the exaggerations of the mild end can make people think severe autism isn't that bad because everyone knows 'someone with autism' (usually mild end!).

The airline can't do anything about what people carry on either. I remember seeing a lad of about eleven in a Business lounge; he was quiet and well-behaved but he put some nuts in his jacket pocket and I don't think his father even knew.

User, it's perfectly possible to not be allergic to cheese, but be allergic to milk. Cooking changes the nature of the proteins.

DD can tolerate baked egg, but not things like meringues where the egg isn't cooked enough to change the proteins. meringue or mayonnaise would make her sick and a bit puffy but cake is absolutely fine.

nice gesture from those without allergies who think nuts should be banned, much appreciated. dd has peanut allergy however i don't mention it when flying (i would if she had had an airbourne reaction in the past) as i know it pisses off some people who just MUST have their nut fix when flying. I have my epi pens so i would have to just hope and prey that if she did have an airbourne reaction that she didn't die. I would however mention to the person who was sitting next to me if they were eating nuts. I know if someone asked me to not eat them as their ie dh or child was allergic i would graciously stop however not everyone has interest in how their behaviour affects others......

trixymalixy Tue 22-Aug-17 14:04:54

Ah far point - I didn't realise that - many thanks.

However, the young boy also had milk shakes and so his notes on school file regarding milk allergy and breathing problems were brought up at review - mum advised that she said that because ' it might happen' .... he now drinks milk. The point being that she exaggerated it just in case which doesn't help with the overall think about allergies and how some people think they don't exist...

I know they exist and can be really