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AIBU?

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To not want to go to my inlaws for Christmas?

76 replies

NattyBatty · 19/08/2017 22:22

I'll try not to drip-feed, so sorry about the essay-length post!

I know it's early in the year, but Christmas planning has started because we live 200 miles from family. Mine in London and my inlaws in Scotland. Neither of us drive, so we need to arrange trains, and somewhere to stay etc, so it's a big effort. It's also expensive, so usually we try and stay with a relative.

When DH and I got together we would alternate each year: my family for Christmas, his the next, then mine again the following year. This worked fine for about four years, then the problems with his mother and stepfather stared.

MIL lives across town from us, but all the rest of the family is in Scotland.

MIL remarried when DH was 5yrs old. The man she married is an alcoholic (or alcohol dependant, or whatever the correct term for someone who is not a chemical addict but a psychological one, if that makes a difference). She knew this before they got married, but she did it anyway. We will call him G.

G is not always drunk. This is mainly because he is on his last warning for going to work while drunk or smelling of alcohol. He works in the civil service as part of the court system, so they are very strict. He never has just one drink. If he has one, he won't stop until he falls unconscious. Then he will wake up and carry on drinking until he passes out again. He will get home from work on Friday and drink at least one box of wine. Then he will have the two or three top-up bottles MIL gets for him the next morning. Then he will ransack the house looking for more alcohol once that is gone. The local shops either close before he gets to this point, or have been warned not to serve him after a certain time on Saturday. And on Sunday he's on enforced abstinence so that he has dried out enough to not stink up the office on Monday (or throw-up all over himself at the bus stop on his way in, as he has done several times in the past)

This would be bad enough, but when he is drunk he has mood swings. One minute he will be happily chatting away, the next he will be snarling abuse at you. He is also violent. While DH was growing up he was subject to emotional and mental abuse, along with physical assault. For example at age 8, DH had his head bashed into a cupboard because he called his mum a name 30 minutes earlier during an argument. He's also had his arm "accidentally" broken while "play fight" on two occasions.

MIL is an enabler, and comes out with things like "but he's lovely the rest of the time" and "but he doesn't mean it and he's sorry when he sobers up" and "he'd never do anything to really hurt anyone". She is also emotionally manipulative, lies about the worst possible things (like making up rape and abuse stories about DHs dad - then forgetting and contradicting herself later). She is only occasionally violent (if that makes it any better). She was also neglectful in that she just left DH to it. She didn't make sure her primary school aged child had clean clothes, a balanced diet, went to school (both adults left for work before it started so they just left him to take himself to school). She didn't do anything that parents need to do to take care of their child, and her excuse is "well it was the second marriage for both of us, so we decided to just have fun"

While growing up, DH was taught not to talk about this. He was told that every family had fights, and that it was all perfectly normal, but that it was bad manners to air your dirty laundry in public. So he kept quiet. Until around 6 years ago.

DH and I lived with MIL and G for a while so that we could save for a deposit, and during that time G became physically violent towards me. DH stepped in to protect me, and I called the police (MIL tried to stop me and disconnected the landline so I couldn't dial 999). Needless to say, we moved out within the week. This incident sparked a conversation with some close friends and DH realised that what he'd grown up with was not normal as he had been lead to believe, so he distanced himself from his mother and stepfather. MIL then went to her family (and FILs family) and cried that I was wrecking her relationship with DH. DH responded by telling them everything... and they took her side.

They think DH is exaggerating or that she would never do those things. They say that, even if it did happen, she's family so it shouldn't matter. They certainly don't support me banning MIL and G from seeing DS (4) and think MIL should be allowed to see DS if DH or I are around.

When DS was born we went up to visit the inlaws for Christmas on the understanding that we would not see MIL or G. On Christmas Day, MIL called her mother, who we were staying with, and asked to see SD. Gran asked DH, and made it very clear that she wanted it to happen. MIL then called DH and told him that it would ruin his grans Christmas if he didn't agree. So we were trapped in the house, couldn't get home without help (which no one would provide) and our host was making demands that we didn't want to give in to. In the end we had no choice but to agree, and I hate myself for letting them put us in that position.

There have been a few similar instances since then, and DS knows who his gran is and that we don't see her very often.

To clarify, when DS was born I sent MIL some terms for if she wanted to be part of DSs life. The first one was that she had to leave the abusive drunk. The second was that she had to get psychological help for whichever mental illness she has that makes her think what she has done is in any way ok. She hasn't done either of those things.

DH wants to go to his family this year, because we haven't been back since DSs first Christmas, and I really want to make him happy, but I also don't want to go into MILs territory or deal with her family undermining our decision to protect our son.

We could stay in a hotel, but we would still depend on family for transport, which leaves us at their mercy if they pull that stunt again.

AIBU?

OP posts:
BifsWif · 19/08/2017 22:26

Nope, absolutely not being unreasonable.

It would be non negotiable for me, I would not put my child or myself in that situation again.

ShesNoNormanPace · 19/08/2017 22:28

Go Zammo on them. Seriously - you can't trust them not to show up and even if they don't, you'll be spending the entire time looking over your shoulder waiting for it. The other relatives don't believe you and won't protect you.

StillDrivingMeBonkers · 19/08/2017 22:32

The second was that she had to get psychological help for whichever mental illness she has that makes her think what she has done is in any way ok

Odd turn of phrase.

Aquamarine1029 · 19/08/2017 22:32

Personally, I think it is totally unreasonable for your husband to expect you to be around anyone in his family. They are highly dysfunctional at best, violent at their worst. I would refuse to go and I certainly wouldn't allow my child to be around them. Your husband knows how awful they are, and his loyalty should be to you. If he really wants to go visit them some other time, he can go alone.

Namesarehard · 19/08/2017 22:36

Not to round rude but I didn't read the whole post it's too long. In short nobody has to spend Christmas with anyone. If you don't want to , don't. You're an adult who can make their own choice without an explanation or excuse.

Donttouchthethings · 19/08/2017 22:38

YADNBU.
I wouldn't go.
And BTW, it's not your job to make your husband happy. That's his job.
It IS your job to protect your child from abuse. That's your answer.

happypoobum · 19/08/2017 22:41

YANBU

I wouldn't go anywhere near any of them and wouldn't want my children there either.

DH is fully entitled to spend Christmas wherever he likes but I would be telling him he would be going alone.

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 19/08/2017 22:46

Why does DH want to go back after the last time? Was he not as trapped and pissed off as you?

And what's changed in the meantime?

Totally bu to stay the hell away from anyone who would force you into doing anything you don't want to.

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 19/08/2017 22:47

Totally NBU!!!!!!

coconutpie · 19/08/2017 22:47

No fucking way. Your DH clearly needs counselling if he's even considering going there for Christmas after everything both of you have been subjected to.

Keep your DS well away from her. I wouldn't allow any contact with DS.

pinkpantherpink · 19/08/2017 22:48

"happypoobum

YANBU

I wouldn't go anywhere near any of them and wouldn't want my children there either.

DH is fully entitled to spend Christmas wherever he likes but I would be telling him he would be going alone."

THIS

I grew up in a toxic environment like your DH. Just say no.

GreenTulips · 19/08/2017 22:48

I'd agree - he can go alone

I do think you were out of order demanding she leaves her husband and get help - you would've been better placed to suggest she comes alone - and not left unattended

Donttouchthethings · 19/08/2017 22:50

How about you start your own family traditions at home? Then he goes there alone on Boxing Day?

notanotherNC · 19/08/2017 23:01

Do not go. Seriously stay well away. Fuck her. She doesn't deserve any of you in her life.

Coldkebab · 19/08/2017 23:02

I understand its hard for you but at the end of it all thats still dhs mum. I lost my mum this year and my mil 13 days later. We regret not spending enough time with them. We did however have fantasic mothers but you dont want to leave you dh with any regrets if any thing was to happen to his mum. I do understand about keeping your son safe to and maybe just supervise or met in a cafe or play barn to keep it so you can leave

AnnaleeP · 19/08/2017 23:03

What pps said.

You have your own family now, no need to be travelling hundreds of miles at Christmas every year. Stay at home and do your own thing.

If you do want to see family, see your own. DH can see his family alone, if he must.

Cherrytart6 · 19/08/2017 23:03

I wouldn't go or allow DA to go. Tell your DH he can visit on his own at xmas or you can visit for Boxing Day. He clearly is minimising and normalising their behaviour to assume this is ok. Does he really want to expose his child to a drunk, violent and toxic family?

InvisibleKittenAttack · 19/08/2017 23:10

Can you invite the family he talks to to stay with you?

If you are talking about elderly relatives, or far too many people to make them all coming to you practical, then I would suggest staying in a hotel and hiring a car so you aren't dependent for travel. If this isn't affordable, then going isn't a possiblity this year. Save for next year.

Your DH has come a long way, but you have to remember that this was his version of normal.

Can you compromise on avoiding Christmas day/boxing day and go for New Years Eve?

Keep MIL and G out of your lives as much as possible.

LondonNicki · 19/08/2017 23:10

No no no

You had me at he had been violent towards you. Don't go and don't for a minute feel apologetic about it.

MsGameandWatching · 19/08/2017 23:13

I don't go anywhere at Christmas. Stopped that nonsense about a decade ago and never looked back. Even without all your family issues you don't need to be anywhere you don't want to be.

"We are spending Christmas at home this year". That's it.

gillybeanz · 19/08/2017 23:18

There is no way on Gods earth I'd allow my children near this family.
If your dh wants to go he goes on his own, I'm sure he wouldn't but if he does well he cares more for them than keeping his child safe.
If you go you are putting your child in danger.
I'm being blunt because it's obvious and there should be no need to even consider it. Thanks

fairypuff · 19/08/2017 23:18

No way would I even entertain the idea of subjecting my child to this. Let your dh go if he wants but not a snowballs chance in hell would I ever put my kid in danger from a violent drunk and a woman who admits she abandoned her own children to have fun. No, no and no again.

AcrossthePond55 · 19/08/2017 23:18

Big load of NOPE from me! There is no way I'd subject myself OR my little family to this. You may as well be juggling a live hand grenade. There's a very slim chance that it won't go off, but the odds are pretty bad.

I'd tell DH (if he gets stroppy) that IF he wants to go he's perfectly free but that you and DS are NOT. Tell him that if he can complete driver's lessons, get his license, buy a car, and pay for reservations in a naice hotel for the duration, maybe you'll 'consider' it.

Nanny0gg · 19/08/2017 23:20

Nope. You don't go and especially your child doesn't go. What is he thinking? He needs to see a counsellor if he thinks any of this is 'normal.

And don't let him pull the 'it's not fair to see your family if you won't come to mine' stunt either.

BewareOfDragons · 19/08/2017 23:24

Can one of you not learn to drive so you can control your own 'holidays'?

Although, tbh, his family doesn't sound like much of a holiday...

YANBU.

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