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To not want to go to my inlaws for Christmas?

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NattyBatty · 19/08/2017 22:22

I'll try not to drip-feed, so sorry about the essay-length post!

I know it's early in the year, but Christmas planning has started because we live 200 miles from family. Mine in London and my inlaws in Scotland. Neither of us drive, so we need to arrange trains, and somewhere to stay etc, so it's a big effort. It's also expensive, so usually we try and stay with a relative.

When DH and I got together we would alternate each year: my family for Christmas, his the next, then mine again the following year. This worked fine for about four years, then the problems with his mother and stepfather stared.

MIL lives across town from us, but all the rest of the family is in Scotland.

MIL remarried when DH was 5yrs old. The man she married is an alcoholic (or alcohol dependant, or whatever the correct term for someone who is not a chemical addict but a psychological one, if that makes a difference). She knew this before they got married, but she did it anyway. We will call him G.

G is not always drunk. This is mainly because he is on his last warning for going to work while drunk or smelling of alcohol. He works in the civil service as part of the court system, so they are very strict. He never has just one drink. If he has one, he won't stop until he falls unconscious. Then he will wake up and carry on drinking until he passes out again. He will get home from work on Friday and drink at least one box of wine. Then he will have the two or three top-up bottles MIL gets for him the next morning. Then he will ransack the house looking for more alcohol once that is gone. The local shops either close before he gets to this point, or have been warned not to serve him after a certain time on Saturday. And on Sunday he's on enforced abstinence so that he has dried out enough to not stink up the office on Monday (or throw-up all over himself at the bus stop on his way in, as he has done several times in the past)

This would be bad enough, but when he is drunk he has mood swings. One minute he will be happily chatting away, the next he will be snarling abuse at you. He is also violent. While DH was growing up he was subject to emotional and mental abuse, along with physical assault. For example at age 8, DH had his head bashed into a cupboard because he called his mum a name 30 minutes earlier during an argument. He's also had his arm "accidentally" broken while "play fight" on two occasions.

MIL is an enabler, and comes out with things like "but he's lovely the rest of the time" and "but he doesn't mean it and he's sorry when he sobers up" and "he'd never do anything to really hurt anyone". She is also emotionally manipulative, lies about the worst possible things (like making up rape and abuse stories about DHs dad - then forgetting and contradicting herself later). She is only occasionally violent (if that makes it any better). She was also neglectful in that she just left DH to it. She didn't make sure her primary school aged child had clean clothes, a balanced diet, went to school (both adults left for work before it started so they just left him to take himself to school). She didn't do anything that parents need to do to take care of their child, and her excuse is "well it was the second marriage for both of us, so we decided to just have fun"

While growing up, DH was taught not to talk about this. He was told that every family had fights, and that it was all perfectly normal, but that it was bad manners to air your dirty laundry in public. So he kept quiet. Until around 6 years ago.

DH and I lived with MIL and G for a while so that we could save for a deposit, and during that time G became physically violent towards me. DH stepped in to protect me, and I called the police (MIL tried to stop me and disconnected the landline so I couldn't dial 999). Needless to say, we moved out within the week. This incident sparked a conversation with some close friends and DH realised that what he'd grown up with was not normal as he had been lead to believe, so he distanced himself from his mother and stepfather. MIL then went to her family (and FILs family) and cried that I was wrecking her relationship with DH. DH responded by telling them everything... and they took her side.

They think DH is exaggerating or that she would never do those things. They say that, even if it did happen, she's family so it shouldn't matter. They certainly don't support me banning MIL and G from seeing DS (4) and think MIL should be allowed to see DS if DH or I are around.

When DS was born we went up to visit the inlaws for Christmas on the understanding that we would not see MIL or G. On Christmas Day, MIL called her mother, who we were staying with, and asked to see SD. Gran asked DH, and made it very clear that she wanted it to happen. MIL then called DH and told him that it would ruin his grans Christmas if he didn't agree. So we were trapped in the house, couldn't get home without help (which no one would provide) and our host was making demands that we didn't want to give in to. In the end we had no choice but to agree, and I hate myself for letting them put us in that position.

There have been a few similar instances since then, and DS knows who his gran is and that we don't see her very often.

To clarify, when DS was born I sent MIL some terms for if she wanted to be part of DSs life. The first one was that she had to leave the abusive drunk. The second was that she had to get psychological help for whichever mental illness she has that makes her think what she has done is in any way ok. She hasn't done either of those things.

DH wants to go to his family this year, because we haven't been back since DSs first Christmas, and I really want to make him happy, but I also don't want to go into MILs territory or deal with her family undermining our decision to protect our son.

We could stay in a hotel, but we would still depend on family for transport, which leaves us at their mercy if they pull that stunt again.

AIBU?

OP posts:
AngeloMysterioso · 19/08/2017 23:24

Jesus, I'd have gone NC with the lot of them by now! In your position I'd tell you DH he's welcome to spend Christmas with them if he's such a glutton for punishment, but you and your DS won't be going anywhere near them again.

MyPatronusIsAUnicorn · 19/08/2017 23:27

YANBU. I wouldn't let those awful people in my childs life. Your DH shouldn't be putting you in this position after his SD started to get violent towards you. What's the matter with him! He seems to have a short memory.

Tell him if he insists, he can go alone but you and your child are staying behind. It would be shitty for him to leave his own child at Christmas because a bunch of abusers want it.

ZeroFuchsGiven · 19/08/2017 23:29

To clarify, when DS was born I sent MIL some terms for if she wanted to be part of DSs life. The first one was that she had to leave the abusive drunk. The second was that she had to get psychological help for whichever mental illness she has that makes her think what she has done is in any way ok. She hasn't done either of those things.

I'd say there are two sides to every story.

MilesHuntsWig · 19/08/2017 23:29

YANBU, but you might want to talk to your DH about why he wants to please the family that didn't support him. It doesn't sound healthy.

PickAChew · 19/08/2017 23:32

I wuldn't want aything to do with them at any time of year after all that. No idea what your DH is hoping to achieve by pretending it all didn't happen or was of no consequence, but if he can truly bear to spend time with his family, he needs to do it alone. Arrange your own Christmas, elsewhere. Expect that to cause a rift, though - not of your making, understand.

eggsandwich · 19/08/2017 23:34

Bloody hell your Dh has a short memory, time to remind him quite firmly what a bunch of unhinged family members he has and does he really want his Ds subjected to that lot who clearly don't know right from wrong.

I say stay at home just the three of you and enjoy Christmas together, stand firm on this one.

emmyrose2000 · 19/08/2017 23:34

If my husband wanted to expose my child/ren too this sort of toxicity, violence and general scum, I would leave him in a heartbeat. Anyone who would willingly expose a child to that is not fit to raise that child.

This WOULD be my hill to die on. Why these people weren't cut out of your lives years ago stuns me.

Your DH needs counselling stat. He needs to see that what he experienced is so far from normal that the line isn't even visible. In the meantime, you MUST protect your child, and that means not ever seeing MIL and G ever again.

PickAChew · 19/08/2017 23:34

G became physically violent towards me.

So what are the two sides to this, @ZeroFuchsGiven? Do you think that G was justified in assaulting the OP?

Crumbs1 · 19/08/2017 23:36

I think,you'd be better off spending money on building a happy Christmas tradition for your own family, in your own home. It might be quiet but it would be more joyful. The travelling alone sounds like a nightmare- one or both of you should learn to drive. Tell them you are staying home and enjoying your time together this year but will Skype them.

AJPTaylor · 19/08/2017 23:36

Just stay home. You only get so many xmases when dcs are young. Dont waste them.

FuckYouLinda · 19/08/2017 23:43

In our family, when we start having children Christmas means staying put in their home. Older relatives get invited over - eg we take turns (or fight over!) DM coming over to us instead. Nearby family we visit after dinner for a couple of hours to show them the toys Santa brought, family further afield we meet up when we can over the week and new year. Those even further afield than that we video call.

In no circumstances would I risk DC's Christmas getting ruined by a violent drunk and his manipulative enabler.

"no, we are having Christmas at home this year, we'll skype you on the day" is what you need to say.

quizqueen · 19/08/2017 23:44

Your son is 4, time to stay at home every Christmas now. Travelling 200 miles is too expensive and time consuming in the cold winter months and how will you transport all the presents with no car. If your family are nice then invite them every other year. His family are dangerous, tell them they can come for the meals every other year but can not stay in your home as they are untrustworthy and unpredictable. If they do ever come and misbehave then never have them again.

AcrossthePond55 · 20/08/2017 00:34

The problem with having their own little Xmas is MiL saying "Oh that's fine then. We'll come to yours instead of going to Scotland". Yikes!

PickAChew · 20/08/2017 00:37

Agree with Across. "We have better other plans" should be sufficient.

milliemolliemou · 20/08/2017 01:06

OP - do you mean you live 200 miles from both your family and the Scots contingent but toxic MIL is just across town from you? Or are you just 200 miles away from Scotland? I don't understand that toxic MIL suddenly pops up in Scotland while you're all staying with the Gran (MIL's Gran?). I know you don't want to out yourself but it's a bit confusing.

Clearly it's a horrendous lot of toxicity. How do you get on with FIL? does DH has brothers/sisters?

Is your DH absolutely set on going to visit his Scots family - presumably his DF and granny? does this need to include you and DS? Could you not see toxic MIL before Christmas on one of G's dry Sundays and meet them outside the home?

And why don't either of you drive? if you are young and live in London I can understand - and it's expensive anywhere to own/license and insure a car but you would be able to hire on arrival at station which would give you freedom to leave.

littlemisssweetness · 20/08/2017 07:02

Why are you even with someone who lets his family be violent towards you?? Definitely not being unreasonable at all!

LindyHemming · 20/08/2017 07:11

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AztecHero · 20/08/2017 07:28

YABCompletely Unreasonable to instruct your MIL that she has to leave her husband (no matter what an utter shit head he is). That is simply not your place.

YANBU to refuse to go there for christmas or to drastically limit your contact with them. Your job is to look after your child. I would refuse to let my child near them also.

frenchfancy17 · 20/08/2017 07:47

Don't go. Why ruin christmas?

StillDrivingMeBonkers · 20/08/2017 07:51

Reading through these sort of threads, I see the mothers own their children. Many comments of DH can go alone. Well what if DH decided to take his HIS children to see HIS family, seeing as he is on the birth certificate and has PR, and the OP can spend Christmas alone or with her family?

Neither of us drive well learn and stop so dependent on other people.

BeakersofNaiceHam · 20/08/2017 07:58

I think you should stay home too, that way it's fair to both sides of the family and will also save you a lot of stress and money making the journey. You can put that saving towards making a really nice Christmas day for your DS.

IfYouDontImagineNothingHappens · 20/08/2017 07:58

Stay at home! I never understand why people rotate like this. You are a family, enjoy a quiet day and let DS play with his toys in the house!

GreenTulips · 20/08/2017 08:14

Well what if DH decided to take his HIS children to see HIS family, seeing as he is on the birth certificate and has PR, and the OP can spend Christmas alone or with her family?

It's because HIS parents are the problem - it's HIS parents she doesn't want the kids around - you know the violence and alcoholism?? The opppsote of a fun Christmas??

Mrscropley · 20/08/2017 08:20

Isn't Christmas supposed to be a happy time?
So stay at home with no visitors and enjoy yourselves. .
You and your dh owe them nowt. Not a fucking sprout. .
Switch your phone off and don't answer the door. .
Wishing you an early Merry Christmas!!

OoohMavis · 20/08/2017 08:21

Sounds terrible. You need to gently sit down and talk to DH about why he is entertaining this idea and that he needs more counselling - I imagine he's hoping this time they'll be different.

Of course I wouldn't go. In fact I was attacked by someone when I didn't have transport without my DC at a family place and I'll never put myself in that position again

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