Emigrating because of brexit/current political issues

[NewName90]

Have you done it or know anyone who has?
Over the last few years I've seen a real rise in people saying they plan to but I'm not sure if anyone has?
Aibu to wonder if it's all hot air or if there has been a rise in immigration since the conservatives were voted back in twice/brexit?

Wasn't there a recent documentary by John Pilger on the treatment of Aborigines in Australia?. I watched it and was absolutely shocked. Not that racism doesn't happen here, but it seems to operate at the systemic level in Australia still. My DH cousin lives there with his wife. He's black and says the attitudes are like Britain in the late 70s and early 80s.

Mandysmumbun Why are you bringing up history from years and years ago when nobody else on the thread is talking about that at all? And no I haven't, why would I?

Themostannoyingperson

God knows!

I'm married to an Australian (though living in UK) and know a fair few Australians - immediate family, wider family, friends of immediate family. I am sure there are millions of right on, liberal minded Australians, I just don't know any, unfortunately.

I understand this might be upsetting to Australians, but take a look at your immigration policy and your treatment of Aborigines.

Am still considering it, Canada is an option for us. Extended family is what keeps us here, but there's a lot of push factors too.

I think Brexit has made a lot of people think carefully about their lives in the UK and whether it is worth staying or not. By that I mean cost of living, tax, schooling, childcare, being away from home etc. These people may otherwise just have comfortably remained in the UK without much thought for maybe a few more years, or even forever. It's also made a lot of people think twice about coming to the UK in the first place. My friend was saying it's getting very hard to recruit researchers as they are unsure about funding, likewise there has been a huge drop in applications from the EU for nurses. Anyone who would previously have come for a couple of months to pick fruit might seriously think about the exchange rate.

To answer your question yes people have started to leave and many more are using the two year transition period to get their ducks in a row to leave.

Yes, Australia has a tough migration system, and it had till relatively recently (the 70s) an officially racist migration policy (White Australia), on the other hand, its overseas-born resident population (the official definition of "migrant") is now around 28% of the total population, which is very high, it was also one of the first countries to institute multicultural policies officially, so it dealt with it relatively well, the treatment of Aboriginal people and of asylum seekers who arrive by boat on the other hand...

My 'rant' is when people like Mission deny how racist their own country is and fling around how racist Australia [insert other country] is without for ever having visited.

Just deal with the problems here in the UK, don't try to turn this into 'well we're not as bad as so and so, so nerr' which is what happens a lot when Britain's racism is every mentioned.

So you are saying you married a racist are you Dumble - that doesn't say much for you.

We emigrated to Canada shortly after the Brexit result. It wasn't purely because of Brexit but Brexit happening is a factor in us staying. To be honest the cost of living, schooling etc. all play a part in us staying.

Nowhere is perfect though. Canada was always on out list to move to because I was born here (although consider the UK my home country because I spent 30 out of my 31 years there).

I know a few people who have moved to various places because of Brexit. Some have gone to the EUROPEAN because of their jobs or partners and others have moved outside the EU for various reasons. Brexit has just been part of it.

European should have been EU

My 'rant' is when people like Mission deny how racist their own country is and fling around how racist Australia [insert other country] is without for ever having visited.

Just deal with the problems here in the UK, don't try to turn this into 'well we're not as bad as so and so, so nerr' which is what happens a lot when Britain's racism is every mentioned.

Way to spectacularly miss the original point, Mandy

Thanks Mandy. How do you know I don't regret it? I do, sometimes. But I am not racist and neither are my children, and we work in dh constantly.

Even Minnows not to rave on about the Chinese in our presence anymore. Small gains, eh?

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Ffs! MINNOWS? I meant MIL.

MIL knows

I am giving up!

We don't know yet what'll happen - the details are pretty identifying but e.g. our mortgage has gone up by 20% due to the exchange rate dropping, and there are a few others things that might nudge us into moving back into an EU country.

But I like where we are, we're just starting to set down roots, so I don't really want to.

To be clear, with the EEA permanent residency etc.. your permanent residency is not in doubt, it's just that the physical document you have received may need to be changed in the future, which may involve another application. You are not going to lose your permanent residency unless you leave the UK for an extended period, which is the case anyway. If you are able to apply for naturalisation then this would also solve the problem (expensive and not always possible, I know).

The nice thing is about all the people leaving is there are others stacking up to come in. So the leavers will make place for other people who want to actually be here and not just moan about being here.

More foreigners coming in then sleep? It'll be the highly skilled and well educated leaving.

On the contrary I know a lot of people who have moved back to the UK from HK this year. I think the British are more pessimistic than everyone else about Brexit in a way. Plus, everywhere's got problems. You just decide which ones you can live with.

Also I think you actually need to live somewhere else a long tme ( as in close to a decade) before 'their problems' become 'your problems'- very well documented phenomenon. When you're not a native you tend to care less about the bad things but the care factor increases as you spend more time there. When I first moved to HK the illegal parking didn't even register. Now it gives me the absolute rage.

Comparing illegal parking to the long term social and economic damage of Brexit?

Actually it's just very indicative of HK society in general which is characterised by a massive and growing wealth gap and just a general 'I'm alright jack' attitude by people with big cars and drivers.

Similar to UK then.

ghost that's not really my point. The point is that until you've lived somewhere else for a long time, you tend to give the new place a lot more slack than your home country so a lot of people who move will probably come back.