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To really hate car journeys with my DP?

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lelapaletute · 15/08/2017 09:15

My DP is lovely, and by and large a quiet, peaceful person. However, he does let himself get wound up by little things and is not very good at controlling his frustrations - he needs to let them out verbally, or by stomping about, banging doors etc. This makes me incredibly tense - I grew up around a lot of arguing and tension and I am ridiculously sensitive to it, I also feel personally responsible when people around me get angry or upset and like I have to 'fix' everything for everyone (another by product of my upbringing, or possibly just my nature, I don't know). We often unintentionally wind each other up with this - he just needs to tut and hide and let it out, I can't handle it so get involved trying to solve the problems or cheer him up which gets on his nerves as he feels like he can't express any negative emotion without me jumping on him, etc etc. I am trying to work on not being so disturbed by perfectly normal frustration and to not get involved unless clearly needed or wanted. It's tough, but I try to just go to another part of the flat or concentrate on something else (much easier now we have a very demanding 6 month old baby!).

However, he does get disproportionately wound up when driving. He HATES delays, traffic, getting blocked in, lane hogs etc. Every journey upwards of 30 mins we've ever had has involved him getting angry and upset. And in the car I can't get away or focus on something else. Anything I try to solve the problem (suggesting alternative routes, telling him to calm down as it's not that big a deal, trying to distract him with other topics) makes no difference it makes it worse - he spends the whole journey trying, groaning, swearing under his breath, or shouting, snapping at me for anything I say - my whole nervous system is raw by the time we get wherever we were going, and even before we go now I'm tense as I know what's coming.

I have suggested we don't take the car unless absolutely necessary, and just travel by train instead, but he hates that too because he has no control of things go wrong, annoying people come and sit near him, worries about missing connections, etc etc. Basically he really likes to be in control of his environment. But if you want to travel, you can't realistically do that - he just can't seem to accept it and put up with it! The only times he has ever been incredibly rude to me is when we're in the car, and he never apologises unless I make a massive thing of it as he thinks I should just know he gets stressed out in the dark and not to take it seriously.

The problem is now worse as we have a little girl - she is a very high needs baby and cries a lot unless she is constantly entertained. If the car stops moving is the worst, she gets really ratty and it's hard to stop her crying - so getting stuck in traffic is now doubly awful.

We were on a 3 hour journey yesterday and were stuck in traffic - DP wasn't getting more and more annoyed and baby was crying louder and louder. He suddenly turned to her and shouted "Just SHUT UP!" really loudly, it startled her and made her jump.

I went fucking MENTAL at him, and told him to never ever speak to her like that ever again. But I really don't think he understands why that is just UTTERLY not on - it's one thing him being rude to me, I don't like it but I can stand up for myself - but she's just a tiny baby! I know how frustrating it can be when she won't stop crying, I'm at home with her all day at the moment and it's hard going, I get angry and upset but I don't let it out because it's not really her fault, she's too young to regulate her emotions.

AIBU to really hate this and never want to get in a car with him again? It makes me worry about ever leaving her with him too - it's not that I think he'd do her any harm, but if his frustration threshold is so low he would shout at her for crying on a three hour journey, how could he possibly handle a whole day of her being difficult without getting angry and shouting?

WIBU to refuse to get in a car with him and baby with him driving again? He is by far the better driver of the two of us - I only passed my test in December, have a visual impairment, and am very nervous on the road (never done motorway) but I feel like I should insist on driving us from now on or I can't complain about how he gets when he's driving...

I feel like a bit of an idiot for having a baby with him sometimes - obviously I didn't know I was going to get such a high needs child, but it was a possibility and at the moment I don't feel like I have a co-parent I can trust to give her the love and patience she needs :(

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lelapaletute · 15/08/2017 09:20

Please forgive a the typos, hopefully you can work out roughly what I'm saying!

Please don't anyone say LTB, I really want to find a solution for us as a family!

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maxthemartian · 15/08/2017 09:22

If you start doing all the driving you will rapidly get better and I suspect you will soon be a safer driver than him.
What is he like as a passenger though?

PandorasXbox · 15/08/2017 09:24

Lovely, quiet and peaceful aren't the words that conjure in my mind relating to him tbh.

rjay123 · 15/08/2017 09:25

Travel at night?

lelapaletute · 15/08/2017 09:26

Don't really know as I very rarely drive us, and when I have he's always been directing me quite intensively (I'm really shit at driving Grin). I don't know if he'd be able to sit back and relax tbh - when we're on taxis he's always very tense, second-guessing the route the driver has chosen etc...) But at least he might not get pissed off at the baby if he didn't feel so under pressure..?

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BertrandRussell · 15/08/2017 09:27

"My DP is lovely, and by and large a quiet, peaceful person"

Is he really?

Most people do not need to stomp and slam doors when faced by the normal frustrations of daily life. Honestly they don't.

ILoveMillhousesDad · 15/08/2017 09:28

OMG I could have written this!!!! Right down to him saying he isn't allowed to show his emotions. And I am you also. An appeaser. Correction, I WAS you.

It just got to a point where I said I wouldn't stand for it anymore. And i would leave if his moods didn't fuck off.

We ended up going for counselling and it turned out it was a lot to do with his job and he ended up going to counselling individually.

10 years later, we're still HAPPILY married.

BertrandRussell · 15/08/2017 09:28

And you seem to be taking responsibility for his behaviour........

lelapaletute · 15/08/2017 09:29

Pandora you have to know him really. He is a bit of a control freak is the main thing, if he can arrange his own environment (eg on the home) he's fine, very funny, very gentle). He doesn't like feeling out of control (who does I suppose) and he doesn't deal well with things not going according to plan. I've occasionally wondered if he's a bit on the spectrum; not sure if he was and it was diagnosed if that could be helpful at this stage, or if it's just his personality...

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missmollyhadadolly · 15/08/2017 09:30

Absolutely stop letting him drive!

I bet he's not like this when he's alone in the car. He likes having you as the audience.

PovertyJetset · 15/08/2017 09:31

He needs counselling and anger management and what you describe sounds terrifying and abusive.

If he won't conceded to counselling and taking steps to work on his behaviour then leave.

lelapaletute · 15/08/2017 09:31

Like I say Bertrand I take responsibility for EVERYONE'S behaviour -my issue that, I have an overdeveloped sense of guilt and a need for everyone to be happy all the time - upbringing, working on it!

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BertrandRussell · 15/08/2017 09:31

So do you go along with him controlling his own environment at home?

What happens if you want something different?

Tilapia · 15/08/2017 09:32

My DH gets frustrated by traffic delays but yours sounds much worse!

Maybe consider a marriage course? DH and I went on one a few years ago and found it really useful for improving our communication skills and different ways of handling conflict. It's a lot cheaper than counselling.

bbcessex · 15/08/2017 09:33

OP.. this isn't normal I'm afraid.

How does he manage at work?

PandorasXbox · 15/08/2017 09:34

With all you've said about the door slamming and stomping and then losing control and shouting at the baby in the car I think you need to accept he has some major anger and control issues here that need addressing, your life sounds like it's forever preempting his bad mood.

That's not fair on you or your baby. Is it OP?

lelapaletute · 15/08/2017 09:34

Millhouse that gives me hope! I do need to have it out with him, and i need to frame it in the context of our girl I think. I know I'm oversensitive so I doubt myself when I get upset if I'm BU - but I know in my bones it's wrong to shout at a baby.

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Witchitywoo · 15/08/2017 09:35

Following with interest as my DP is like this and he IS on the spectrum!

Alittlepotofrosie · 15/08/2017 09:37

He doesn't sound lovely. He sounds like a twat taking out his tantrums on the two people who he is supposed to love the most in the world, but because he's stressed about something inconsequential he shouted at your baby loud enough to make her jump.

Your poor little baby growing up around that arsehole. He is not a nice man even if you try and pretend he is. What the fuck would he be like if things got really stressful? People like him are dangerous drivers as they're too busy getting pissed off to concentrate on the road. You already have concerns about what he might do if he looked after her for a whole day. Listen to that gut feeling.

Poor tiny baby.

MineKraftCheese · 15/08/2017 09:37

I would be asking him to see a counsellor for anger management type therapy. Anyone who shouts at a tiny baby like that is out of control. And getting angry while in charge of a car with his family inside? I'd be very worried.

Sciurus83 · 15/08/2017 09:37

He doesn't sound lovely. He sounds like he knows he can get away with being aggressive around you and you will make excuses for him. He needs help with his anger issues, he's not lovely.

lelapaletute · 15/08/2017 09:38

This is what I say to him bbcessex - he'd never speak to his colleagues that way no matter how much they annoyed him! That's what winds me up tbh - I'm sure he COULD control himself, but he feels he doesn't/shouldn't have to in his personal life. But then I do wonder if I'm asking him to repress his feelings excessively because of my own issues... Not shouting at baby though, that's too far by any measure.

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PovertyJetset · 15/08/2017 09:39

Yes he is not lovely.

Sciurus83 · 15/08/2017 09:39

I don't mean that to come across that this is in any way your fault, it's really not x

SpottedGingham · 15/08/2017 09:39

So you walk on eggshells to appease your partner. He slams doors and shouts when he can't get his own way. He gets ridiculously wound up while driving and shouts at a baby for crying?

And he's a nice person. I feel sorry for your baby as she's learning to appease someone who is a controlling bully. That'll be her benchmark for a normal relationship.

Hmm
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