It's official. There has never been a POTUS as --vile-- unpopular as Trump. Sad! Trump cont.

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Love this tweet!

Only this country would be fucking stupid enough to start a civil war over statues from the last civil war.

A different kind of money trail.

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A few years ago, a former staffer from a top-tier int'l PR firm walked me through how corporations monitor social media for brand risk. 1/
8:36 pm - 14 Aug 2017

Big corporations shell out serious $$ for social media monitoring and threat assessment of their brands & CEOs, and get frequent reports.

My friend had been in charge of compiling those reports. Her team would track mentions of a firm, its products, its execs: quantity, tone

The particular issue that companies want to assess is whether things are spinning out of control. So velocity and acceleration are key. 4/

The reports would show graphs of mentions/social reach/RTs over time; screenshots of images & messages. Anything quantifiable or visual 5/

If an online petition targeted a company, they'd check at regular intervals to see how fast it was growing 6/

The goal was to forestall an emergency that could lead to brand collapse. If necessary, action would be recommended to stem bleeding. 7/

Chief Marketing Officers and CEOs could be reached at short notice & decisions could be made quickly if things were threatening to blow. 8/

The most acute crises came when companies were doing something wrong that was being pointed out publicly, repeatedly. Brand disaster. 9/

In those cases, companies had to decide whether to try to stonewall & wait out storm or do the right thing & make problem disappear ASAP 10/

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So a big part of assessment within a company was always: how fast will people move on? How much brand damage do we incur in meantime? 11/

So the question for activists is: how long can you go? How much can you escalate pressure? If company thinks you won't stop, it'll fold. 12/

We're now in a time when many big companies face clear choices between right and wrong. Public will call on them to do the right thing. 13/

If you're a corporate decision-maker, you should consult your conscience. But also, consider your bottom line. The public is watching. 14/

If you're a consumer, this is your time to remember that you also have power. Not just your wallet. Your voice. Ask companies to choose. 15/

Your power is a function of your ability to build pressure, to recruit, to escalate—and to not give up. 16/

As my PR firm source explained to me, if you're a consumer activist, your actions will count, because they'll be counted.

Literally. 17/17

One more note: focus. Our collective impact is greater if we pick one target, win, then move to the next, instead of spreading pressure out.

All of these companies & CEOs will be watching what happens to the others. Praise those who do right thing. Make examples of others, 1 by 1.

Thanks for that, lion.

DN4 that's very interesting - thanks!
This made me at about 11 - 12 minutes in. " The cherry on the cake..."

Anne Frank Center @AnneFrankCenter
Now, now. Wow. @POTUS aide who ended funding to stop White Supremacy Violence is Katherine Gorka, Sebastian's wife.

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59921356e4b09096429943b6/amp

Never knew about this. Mass rallies of American Nazis in the thirties...

mashable.com/2016/07/27/nazis-madison-square-garden/#r6uFmTAQVaqf

Only this country would be fucking stupid enough to start a civil war over statues from the last civil war.

Except that it's not exactly over statues. It's about people and ideas.

As for my view of the weekends events. It's sad that neo nazi groups exist in a country where many died fighting socialism in the Second World War

They died fighting Fascism (the same Fascism that is returning now to the US) not Socialism.

I think the pp meant "national socialism", which is many things except socialism.

All tax is theft

How are roads supposed to be funded, then?
How are children given a right to education?

However they do have the right of free speech

They do, up until their speech infringes on other people's rights.
No right to make threats. No right to demonstrating while carrying visible guns.
No right to hurt or frighten people, let alone kill them.

Only this country would be fucking stupid enough to start a civil war over statues from the last civil war

Can you imagine the history books a hundred years from now? "The 2nd US Civil War, started during the attempted dictatorship of Trump (see appendix for list of other known names) who allowed (and was widely believed to have supported) the growth of White Supremacists who, over the long overdue removal of statues related to the 1st Civil War, attempted to terrorise the population who fought back, routing them utterly"

I think the pp meant "national socialism", which is many things except socialism

Oh the pp knew exactly what they meant, I've seen it many times from right wingers trying to claim the socialism in the name of the Nazi party meant that they were left wing.

This thread was in Jan 2016, about comparisons with Trump and Hitler. Most pp ridicules it and thought he'd never become president. I wonder how they're feeling now...?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2557900-Could-Donald-Trump-be-the-next-Hitler?pg=1&order=

Is unpredictability a good thing for a leader? Yes definitely from the point of veiw that you don't want your opposition (NK) to know what you are planning.

What Trump is doing is quite different from not telling foreign powers what he'll do. He's frightening people in his own country.
KJU isn't frightened or upset.
Everybody else is.

Regarding your other answers, how, then, is Trump for you not a worry as President?

*ridiculed

InigoTaran Never knew about this. Mass rallies of American Nazis in the thirties
and a town and summer camps:.

untappedcities.com/2015/04/02/this-former-nazi-town-on-long-island-with-adolf-hitler-street-still-exists/

www.npr.org/sections/npr-history-dept/2015/04/28/402679062/nazi-summer-camps-in-1930s-america

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American_Bund

So, it turns out the hot dog place where the Nazi-march cook worked brands itself as libertarian.

Charlottesville white nationalist demonstrator loses job at libertarian hot dog shop
www.washingtonpost.com/news/food/wp/2017/08/14/charlottesville-white-nationalist-demonstrator-fired-from-libertarian-hot-dog-shop/?tid=pm_lifestyle_pop&utm_term=.cac0ea1dd251

"A section of the restaurant’s website is dedicated to 'Propergander,' posting articles about sanctuary cities, nuclear war and diversity. A recent article about an anti-diversity memo circulating at Google read, in part, 'Jim Crow is long gone, but it seems that Progressives (which gave us Jim Crow in the first place) now are imposing what essentially is a new form of segregation, that being ideological and religious segregation that is more reminiscent of how the former USSR treated dissidents than anything we have seen in private enterprise.'"

The restaurant says the cook resigned, wasn't fired. "When asked by The Post if White would have been permitted to keep his job had he not resigned, the shop declined to comment further."

I am all out of WTFs.

I do think that Heather Heyer's last post - If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention - should be our next thread title.

place marking. I do think these threads are invaluable and want to thank all who take the time to post.

One question though. When is the orange one and Pence going to be doubly (bigly) impeached? They have both lied when upholding the constitution. That much we know.

I understand what you are saying about not being comfortable with people losing their jobs over the March, but an awful lot of companies (my own employer included) do have clauses in their employment contracts about not doing anything to bring the company into disrepute, as well as strong Social Media policies.

If you were the owner of "Burt's Shoes" you don't want to see your name in the same sentence as "Nazi" or "white supremacist" in print or online. The damage it could do to your brand is massive. So I totally understand why people are losing their jobs over this.

I think Pence has always tried to present himself as a clean alternative to the corrosive one. A very difficult act, given the extent of the contamination.

Seems like lots of towns are looking at getting rid of their Confederate statues:

apnews.com/6161a7166d3f4a73a769cf5c87b52492/Deadly-rally-accelerates-removal-of-Confederate-statues

Seems like lots of towns are looking at getting rid of their Confederate statues

Great.
It does look like the whole far/alt-right nazi thing is backfiring.
Keeping my fingers crossed.

I've cut and pasted my posts from the "Is Trump Hitler" thread. I never knew I was psychic. He's running very true to his pre-election PR, isn't he? I haven't run to Canada yet. I'm going to stay and fight.

#1 I'm an American and he scares the shit out of me. Yes, he's a fucking idiot, but he's also very good at appealing to certain segments of the voting population. He can be charming and manipulative. He's good at instilling fear. He's good at making his followers believe that they are being disenfranchised by 'the others'. That they deserve 'more' and that the 'others' are not only stopping them getting it, 'they' are getting it instead of them. That they must find a way to get rid of the 'others'. And that people who oppose him are not 'true Americans'.

Who does that sound like to you?

Most of Trump's followers are working class people who lost jobs, money, and homes during the 2008 economic crash and have never gotten completely back on their feet. Trump is promising his 'people' the moon and stars. What they don't realize is that it's Trump and his kind who were behind the crash in the first place. They're buying his shit about being 'one of us' when in reality he's 'one of them'. Trump plays them like a fiddle at a square dance.

And for those who say he will never be elected, people said the same thing about George W Bush. Shoot, back in the '60s, many people said Kennedy would never be elected because he was Catholic. There are other Presidents of whom was said 'Oh, he'll never get elected'. Luckily, none of them have ruined the country. I'm afraid the same thing cannot be said of Trump. He's a megalomaniacal egomaniac. Again, sound like anyone you know?

#2 addendum; the other half of Trump's followers are the Remoras to his Shark. They're his cronies and other 1%ers who are seeing an unbelievable opportunity for corruption and profit.

#3 Canyou you are right, Bush/Cheney ruined what respect there was left for our country and gave us a reputation as oil hungry imperialists. But I don't think they actually ruined the country itself in the same way Trump would. Not only would he make us a nation of 'have plenties' and 'have nothings' by virtually eliminating the middle class, his ego and ignorance of foreign policy will end up getting us in a war that will make Iraq look like a Sunday School picnic.

#4 I'm only half joking when I say that I'm planning a run for the Canadian border before Canada 'builds a fence and makes the US pay for it' if Trump gets elected.

For those wondering how Trump appeals to the 'masses', this is my own opinion but a great deal of American 'identity' in quite a few quarters is deeply rooted in a combination of the 'Cowboy' and the 'Self-Made Man', the two historical 'American Heroes'. Trump's PR machine is doing a good job of portraying him as both; 'Rugged individualist riding across the range with 6 guns a-blazing' ("That Trump really says what he means! He doesn't give a shit") and 'He is so smart because he made piles of money that his Daddy started him out with ' ("That Trump made himself rich. He'll get this country out of the depression with his money smarts").

Sorry, Across. You have to stay.