To not believe what I just heard.... parent/ child space one sorry!!!!

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Was at my local Aldi lady earlier this week about to drive off when I heard raised voices.... I looked around to see a mother with a child of around 5/6 shouting at an elderly lady who had parked in a parent/ child space ( there were 3/4 other empty p&c spaces free)... the elderly lady calmly told her that she was awaiting a blue badge and all the disabled spaces were full... the mother than shouted " well that's not my fault" and stormed off... the elderly lady then with some difficulty started walking away....
I got out of my car and asked if she was ok.. she said she was but looked upset.. I asked if there was anything I could do/ help with and she said she was ok! I wished her well and went back to my car really shocked that a mother with a school aged child who had already parked on the parent/child spaces would go out of her way to be so vile...

I later heard from a friend that this mother posted what happened on Facebook ... including her shouting at an elderly lady and was practically applauded for it with a lot of likes and even a few comments like she should have scratched the ladies car... my friend reported the status but Facebook said it didn't violate their standards.

I cannot believe that another person could go out of their way to be so argumentative and lack such empathy.

They also have a legal duty to provide reasonable adjustments which overrides any rules they may have.

That's not what enforceable means Peng.

Supermarket shopping is nowt like going to Peppa Pig World though is it?

As for petitioning PPW for child spaces, PPW is by definition only going to attract families with preschool children. The whole car park would have to have wide spaces.

Obviously bb holders must always come first, but why mumsnet turns this into loathing even the concept of P&C I'll never know. In real life, people use them, and expect those without kids not to.

What even is a 'marketing ploy'? Anything which improves the experience of shopping? Why not remove touch and pay or self service - after all nobody needs them and we coped before?

Being fined for parking in a BB space - enforceable if you appeal (I'm sure there's mitigating circumstances but it's early and I cant be arsed).

Not so much so for P&C spaces. They're not covered under statute.

Just because its a fine in the car park doesn't mean it's enforcable in law. Unlike BB spaces.

Morris read up on all the threads. The difficulty of needing the P&S spaces is always about the need for the extra space to open car doors. Get car seats in/out. They never mention the shopping. Oddly.

Online shopping was a wonderful invention. Especially for people who can't visit a car park without berating an old lady.

P&C spaces.

They can't make you pay. They could take you to court if you don't but if it is reasonable to park there they would lose and have to pay costs so they wouldn't go there.

Supermarkets have to provide a number of BB spaces by law. They dont have to with P&C.

People don't loathe people who use P&C spaces. They loathe people who self appoint themselves parking wardens and decide to yell at an infirm old lady.

But it's not enforceable Peng, you also don't technically need permission to use p&c spaces.

Whoever asked is there an age limit for p&c spaces it tends to be 12

I mentioned getting shopping in.I have 3 children two in car seats and my eldest has Autism. I also always take my disabled mother. I use the p&c parking for easy access into the car for seats and because it's safer. I also have a huge amount of shopping and it's usually closer to take both trolleys back without losing sight of the kids( mum can't manage them on her own). I wouldn't agree with hassling an elderly lady but people should use common sense and park in the correct areas. What really annoys me is where there is usually plenty of regular spaces and someone comes running out having picked up their lunch etc or when I have been asked to speed up and move because I'm taking too long to load everything for people who have no children. When I've asked why it's usually because they have no blue badge but need the extra room or the disabled bays are full. Sorry but not my issue and I don't think they are more entitled to the space then me! As I've said I have my disabled mother (only recebtly receivwd her blue badge) and my eldest is classed as disabled! These spaces are designated for P&C and disabled bays for those who are disabled. I wouldn't dream of parking in a disabled bay with my children so I don't get why other people feel entitled in parking in P&C with no kids!

Duties of reasonable adjustment apply to individuals. It is always about whether it is a reasonable adjustment for that individual.

Adhere to the rules or shop elsewhere in my view.

The P&C rules aren't enforceable.

I didn't say they loathe the people using the spaces. I said they loathed the concept, which clearly many do. Telling people to 'just shop online then' is a crap retort, everyone has a right to a full life in their community, including people who are struggling with small kids. It should never over ride bb and nobody thinks it should, do they?

Shouting at old ladies is rude, but this thread isn't about that is it. It's about bloody P&C wars again.

These spaces are designated for P&C and disabled bays for those who are disabled. I wouldn't dream of parking in a disabled bay with my children so I don't get why other people feel entitled in parking in P&C with no kids!

One is enforceable. The other not.

Disabled people I know who have had to park in P&C Spaces have usually had to do so because there's no room left in the BB bays. Usually taken up by people without them.

Telling people to 'just shop online then' is a crap retort, everyone has a right to a full life in their community, including people who are struggling with small kids

Well yes, and I didnt "tell people" to shop online, I suggested that those who can't manage it without yelling at old ladies should do so.

everyone has right to a full life in the community

Of course. But you've got posters on here asking how someone can walk around a supermarket if they need the bb space nearest to the door so badly. Then people wondering why a lady thinks its okay to take it upon herself for yelling at an old lady.

I suppose to look at it from the other perspective, the elderly lady did not have a child with her, nor did she have a blue badge. 'Waiting on one' would not cut it with a traffic warden on double yellows whether she appeared infirm or not unfortunately. The lady should not have been rude to her there is no excuse for that. she would have been entitled to use the space if she had the badge but she didn't so I also can understand the frustration here. the rudeness was unforgivable and upsetting for the lady but what did she honestly expect when parking there unprepared

Is this for real? Are people this fucking AWFUL? I despair.

I think the elderly lady in this story is well within the boundaries of acceptable to park in the p&c. It does drive me mad though when people use them just so their Mercedes doesn't get scratched or whatever. I have 2 under 2 and really need that extra bit of space to get them out of the car without bashing other cars with my door. Also the trolleys with baby seats are within sight of the car so I can get one quickly and safely without trying to wrangle a baby and toddler across a busy carpark.

My Mum has a blue badge and we went to park at Tesco recently and all the disabled spaces were full, mainly with cars without blue badges - my pet hate. So we parked in parent and child and I marched up to customer service to tell them we'd done that and she is my parent and I am her child! Assistant absolutely not bothered about doing anything about the misuse of disabled spaces though. I see it all the time.

I don't think people should shout at other people in the street regardless of their age. I also wouldn't start a confrontation with a stranger about any parking space.

I do think it is really odd that people are so negative about p+c spaces and so reluctant to follow the basic tenant that they are for parents and their children. The rules in our local sainsburys are clearly posted on a large sign, they are for parents and children under 12. The fact this is a civil parking matter rather than a criminal one seems an odd thing to focus on as a reason for ignoring these rules. Plenty of societies rules aren't even a civil legal matter it doesn't make much sense to me to get upset at issues such as rudeness towards older people but then say it's fine to ignore other societal rules. I wouldn't dream of parking in a blue badge space and I am not comparing having children with having a disability but I do not understand why the different rules for these spaces cannot be followed.

Agreed. Society shouldn't need enforceable law to keep us from abandoning all civility. So many 'rules' are unspoken, unwritten and unenforceable. But decent people don't struggle to adhere to them.

notever. Yes, they are real, sadly.