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It's different because she's a girl!!

83 replies

Emboo19 · 11/08/2017 17:49

My cousins wife is expecting their first baby, they found out the gender at the scan today (boy) my auntie is super excited and she's a Fb fan so I knew she'd post, which she had. I went on to post a congratulations and read her announcement. She's obviously put they've found out and she's having a grandson etc, then she's tagged my grandparents and put 'another generation of Jones (not our real surname) to carry on the family name' then some '#my sons, son', #first baby jones....
Only problem, my DD who is 10 months is a Jones and it was my aunt I spoke in length to about that the decision to give my name and not dp's. My dad replied, quite lightheartedly, congrats and some other stuff......but then, sorry though, he's not the first, I beat you to it #my daughters, daughter (laughing faces so it was done jokingly)
She's replied with the thread title!! I read the first comment and my dad's earlier and was a bit hurt, but honestly thought in her excitement she'd just forgotten and she text to apologise. But then she's just posted the last comment and I'm not sure what to say to that!

Whats worse my aunt changed my cousins name to her maiden name when she left her husband, 'as she's a girl' her son wouldn't traditionally have her name anyway.
And we are really close, she was really supportive when I found out I was pregnant with DD, often calls to see us and vice versa.

Should I say something and if so what? Or am I being a bit silly to be bothered by it at all?

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MadamPince · 11/08/2017 19:25

I'd be raging BUT I still remember my dad coming home from hospital after my little brother was born an announcing it was a 'son and heir'.

I'm not sure I'd say something, but I'd be keeping a close eye on how things develop and whether this world view will somehow show in their attitude towards your DS.

TheLuminaries · 11/08/2017 19:28

I'd be tempted to go all pass agg on her arse eg. Yay a boy at last! I felt so guilty only having a girl - what could is that to the family? Thank goodness cuz is better at this than me. Boys rule!!!!

That will fuck with her silly sexist head.

Whatsername17 · 11/08/2017 19:30

I'd respond; oh auntie you do make me laugh! Lovely news about your grandson, I'm so excited for you and cousin! Can't wait to welcome another little Jones into the family xxx

ALittleMop · 11/08/2017 19:32

Well at first I'd have assumed she meant "first baby Jones" relating to her first grandchild, and therefore nothing more of it. Because you and cousin were both, presumably baby Joneses

"It's different because she's a girl" is just a weird thing to say, especially given the context.

Emboo19 · 11/08/2017 19:32

I've just had a family group WhatsApp message, about going out for meal to 'celebrate' tomorrow night.
I'm maybe being a bit cynical now, but what are we celebrating exactly......we already knew she was pregnant and he's not born yet.

Dp said to reply......who's paying as we're a bit skint, what with having to save for DD's dowry so we can marry her off at 18!

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Whatsername17 · 11/08/2017 19:36

Honestly op, you just need to laugh your way through this. It's nonsense and you know it. Having a celebration for a baby who isn't safely here yet is a sign that she's not thinking rationally imo.

Emboo19 · 11/08/2017 19:40

I'd be completely fine with DD wanting to change her name WooWoo. I don't want to keep mine as some carrying on my family name, it's just it's mine, it's who I am. And it's a bit unusual (obviously not really jones) and I like it!!

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BeyondQueenOfLists · 11/08/2017 19:40

Please please please reply about the dowry!! Grin

JenTheSprtacusPuppy · 11/08/2017 19:41

Whats worse my aunt changed my cousins name to her maiden name when she left her husband, 'as she's a girl' her son wouldn't traditionally have her name anyway.

Am I reading this right, your cousin initially had her fathers surname (let say smith) but after divorce her mother changed her name to her own maiden name (jones) assuming that if she had a baby it would never have been smith, or even jones because her baby would have her Daughters partners name?

Your cousin is contradicting herself, if it's such thendine thing that children have their Dads surname, then by her own logic, she should be smith, and her son should be passing her own fathers name down, she he's #whatevernumberbabysmith.

She had her Mothers name and has also given her child its Mothers name and its is his name to pass down, but your Daughter, who also has the same surname as her son doesn't count because she can't pass it on, even though the very reason she has that name to give to her son is because her Mother did she's assuming your dd can't do? So if she feels your dd isn't the same, or it's different, did she also have the same feelings about herself? That she was different to her make cousins who'd been named after the men in the family?

Makes no sense for her to feel that way as surely everything she feels about your dd applies to herself?

I wouldn't air it on Facebook but I genuinely would correct her privately, every time she says you dd having the surname first is different because she's a girl, is she planning on telling her son this as he grows? What if she or he says it to dd?

I'd be ready to counteract other sexist stereotypes they may reinforce around dd. Like dolls are for girls, trains are for boys or whatever, you may not want to challenge them directly but I would be making sure dd knows It's all a load of sexist bullshit.

There's also a lot of assumptions placed on what the children and society will be like as adults. More and more women keep their own name, children's surnames are often double barrelled, by the time her son is an adult it may be common for men to take the woman's name.

He may not even marry and/or have children. He may be gay. He may identify as female himself as he grows up. There's so many different paths.

I know some people, will say it's no big deal, that people challenging it are hysterical, overthinking, man hating or whatever, but I do feel the small things like passing in the assumption the woman will her name before a child is even born, leads up to the bigger assumptions like stem is a boys thing, and it can impact on their adult lives.

A surname belongs to the person it was given to and as an adult, is theirs to with what they wish, be that change it altogether, merge it with another, give it to someone else, male or female, regardless of birth order.

MeanAger · 11/08/2017 19:43

I'm maybe being a bit cynical now, but what are we celebrating exactly.

Oh god!! I suspect you have a case of PFGC (grandchild) on your hands! Did this whatsapp message come from your aunt? People don't celebrate a sex discovery do they? I mean I know people do "gender" reveal parties which is somewhat understandable because they are all gathered to find out the sex together. But to announce the sex and then go out to celebrate? Very odd. Are they saying they wouldn't have celebrated if it were a girl?

Genghi · 11/08/2017 19:43

Your aunt and you didn't change your names and passed it on to your kids. Traditionally neither child would carry on the family name. Do you have a brother? Because when he has a kid it'll be your parents saying this shit.

Emboo19 · 11/08/2017 19:44

I do think I'm probably best ignoring it though.
We'll go tomorrow and I'll put DD in her little football kit, complete with her surname on the back!!

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MeanAger · 11/08/2017 19:46

I would start referring to the new baby as "baby jones no.2" Grin

JenTheSprtacusPuppy · 11/08/2017 19:47

Also, if a females surname is her Fathers, why is the name she takes in marriage her Husbands. Surely it would her Father in Laws name? Why does a woman's surname belong to her father or a husband but a mans is surname is always his own?

MeanAger · 11/08/2017 19:52

Exactly jen. It's all rubbish. Your name is your own, no matter what you choose to call yourself. It's yours from birth. Not your dad's or your grandad's. You don't change your name to your husband's name, you change your name so that your name is the same as your husbands. (Or he changes his) it's still your name, even if you divorce him.

museumum · 11/08/2017 19:52

I'd probably respond with something like "god this is all so 19th century Hmm" and I'd just keep reiterating that you're happy for cousin but would have been just as happy if she were having a girl b

BeyondQueenOfLists · 11/08/2017 19:54

(Of course another potential direction to go off in is the "did you just assume the baby's gender", but I'll whisper that one so as not to derail Wink shh!!)

Joinourclub · 11/08/2017 19:54

Sorry but your daughter isn't as important. Not because she is a girl, but because she isn't her grandchild, just her great niece.

She's allowed to get excited about her first grandchild. I'd assume the 'she's just s girl ' comment is just a bit of jokey 'banter' in response to your dads banter , smiley face lol haha etc. I doubt she thinks girls are lesser than boys.

Bardo · 11/08/2017 19:55

Lol at "he could take his husband's name"
Post it!

MeanAger · 11/08/2017 19:59

joinourclub you have misunderstood the issue. The issue is not that the aunt considers her first grandchild more important than OPs baby, that is normal and fine. The issue is that she incorrectly stated it was the first jones baby when a jones baby already exists.

CotswoldStrife · 11/08/2017 20:08

From the OP
Whats worse my aunt changed my cousins name to her maiden name when she left her husband, 'as she's a girl' her son wouldn't traditionally have her name anyway.

Did she change her son's name or just her daughter's name to her own (Aunt's) maiden name then? The baby will have the same surname as her Grandmother but not her Grandfather, is that right Confused

CotswoldStrife · 11/08/2017 20:10

Meh sorry, that was bad editing - his Grandmother/Grandfather now I'm referring to the baby (I hope that scan is right!)

So basically she's pleased her own name is carrying on for another generation?

RideOn · 11/08/2017 20:13

Don't say anything, let it slide.

I doubt she has been waiting for this baby scan so she can castigate you publically on FB for calling your daughter your surname, when she was supportive before?!

It's her view on it and she doesnt need to appologise.

Emboo19 · 11/08/2017 20:19

She only has a son Cotswold it's her sons baby and yes baby will have the same surname as my auntie (his grandma) but not as his grandfather (but my cousin doesn't see his dad so baby won't know that grandad).

My dad thinks she may be a bit disappointed it's not actually a girl as she apparently wanted a girl herself and kept saying she though they'd have a girl. So maybe she's over compensating because she feels a bit guilty.

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EveryDayANewName · 11/08/2017 20:26

It's not worth worrying about at all. It's a bit silly of her but it doesn't matter.