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It's different because she's a girl!!

83 replies

Emboo19 · 11/08/2017 17:49

My cousins wife is expecting their first baby, they found out the gender at the scan today (boy) my auntie is super excited and she's a Fb fan so I knew she'd post, which she had. I went on to post a congratulations and read her announcement. She's obviously put they've found out and she's having a grandson etc, then she's tagged my grandparents and put 'another generation of Jones (not our real surname) to carry on the family name' then some '#my sons, son', #first baby jones....
Only problem, my DD who is 10 months is a Jones and it was my aunt I spoke in length to about that the decision to give my name and not dp's. My dad replied, quite lightheartedly, congrats and some other stuff......but then, sorry though, he's not the first, I beat you to it #my daughters, daughter (laughing faces so it was done jokingly)
She's replied with the thread title!! I read the first comment and my dad's earlier and was a bit hurt, but honestly thought in her excitement she'd just forgotten and she text to apologise. But then she's just posted the last comment and I'm not sure what to say to that!

Whats worse my aunt changed my cousins name to her maiden name when she left her husband, 'as she's a girl' her son wouldn't traditionally have her name anyway.
And we are really close, she was really supportive when I found out I was pregnant with DD, often calls to see us and vice versa.

Should I say something and if so what? Or am I being a bit silly to be bothered by it at all?

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BeyondQueenOfLists · 11/08/2017 18:41

I'd be a little bit tempted to point out that not only are "traditional" marriage rules no longer a guarantee anyway (eg he might want to take his wife's name), but he could be gay and take on his husbands name... Grin being male isn't the guarantee it was 50 years ago that your surname will be carried forward.

hoochymama1 · 11/08/2017 18:43

Pizza your not too old, I went to uni to do an MA in SW when I was 50, and I loved it Grin
The more life experience the better, sounds like a good plan to do a degree in psychology first, the older you are the better, and who knows she may end up doing something else, bless her.
I would encourage her, it's tough, but it's a great job Wink

DCFlemingreportingforduty · 11/08/2017 18:44

I'd put some PA hashtags of my own under her comment like #nolongerlivinginthe1950s #girlscankeeptheirnamestoo #whosaysshe'llgetmarried #womenwhoaremisogynistsaretheworst, etc.... Wink

ItsAllHarmless · 11/08/2017 18:49

Families eh? My grandfather wrote my sister and I out of his will in favour for my cousins because we were female and couldn't carry in the family name whereas the cousins could - being male. It upset my mother but my sister and I couldn't have cared less just as I can see it's upset you but your daughter won't care when she is old enough.
Laugh if off - I would.

MeanAger · 11/08/2017 18:50

Erm for those saying it's different because OPs DD probably won't keep her own name when she marries (assuming she marries at all!) that wasn't what the aunt was posting. She posted "first baby jones" which is entirely incorrect. There is already a baby jones and her sex is irrelevant because as it stands she is a baby jones that existed before grandson jones. So she is wrong and it isn't different. OPs daughter is not "borrowing" her name. It is her name, it may always be her name. She is the first of this generation of joneses.

BeyondQueenOfLists · 11/08/2017 18:50

Bonus points if you can get 'heteronormative' in there! Grin

gelnames · 11/08/2017 18:50

Oh here we go.

I never changed my name. No hassle with passports, banks etc. I am still me and want to stay that way.

It is not common here to change one's name on marriage, quite the opposite in fact, and double barrelled doesn't feature either.

I like it.

MeanAger · 11/08/2017 18:51

Girls marry the name disappears.

Where do you live where people are marrying girls?

BeyondQueenOfLists · 11/08/2017 18:51

And 'anglocentric' too!

MeanAger · 11/08/2017 18:52

FYI it's posssible to never marry and yet have children. Shock my children have my surname. The one I was given at birth.

MeanAger · 11/08/2017 18:54

if she got married she may lose her name.

Lose her name? Confused I have never heard it put like that! You mean voluntarily change her name to match her spouse's name surely?

Oldraver · 11/08/2017 18:55

Your Aunt is being ridiculous anyway.

But especially as your cousin wasn't born with 'the family name' but your Aunt's married name...

Emboo19 · 11/08/2017 18:55

I think it feels worse because she's usually not like that. I've always thought she's quite a feminist, she raised her dc alone, still managed a career etc, she'd be the first to pull someone on sexiest crap usually!! She advised me to give dd my name and said at the time she'd always advise women to do so even if married.

She's a fair bit older than my dad so no they're not really competitive.

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gelnames · 11/08/2017 18:55

As a matter of fact, (unloading here sorry), when my youngest sister died aged 39, she kept her birth name as is usual here.

Her husband was a prick and refused to allow certain things WRT her burial which she had asked for before her death. There is more, but that's enough trauma for now.

So she is remembered now as Molly Blake, rather than Molly Smyth. It has helped enormously.

Emboo19 · 11/08/2017 18:58

Yep! I'm not married Mean but wouldn't change my name even if I was. In fact dp has said he'd change to mine if we marry

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BeyondQueenOfLists · 11/08/2017 18:59

Oo, so not just common or garden misogyny, but internalised misogyny Wink

#creativelistofhashtags

Emboo19 · 11/08/2017 19:02

And my grandparents haven't said anything about the first baby jones, first great grandchild comments.

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Mumzypopz · 11/08/2017 19:02

But that boy isn't carrying down the name in the true sense of tradition, because traditionally he would have his Father's name.

MeanAger · 11/08/2017 19:07

If aunt insisted down that line and I was feeling like being a proper cow I would post something like "well [cousin] isn't a jones really, he's a [his father's name]"

DancesWithOtters · 11/08/2017 19:11

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notevernotnevernotnohow · 11/08/2017 19:11

It is different though, the majority of women take their husband's name on marriage, so this is the first grandchild who will continue the family name

It's not different, because you have no idea if she will get married or if she will change her name. OP didn't. She gave her dd her family name, why would you think the DD won't also?

Dustbunny1900 · 11/08/2017 19:16

I'd be pissed off too. He is NOT the first baby jones. She sounds competitive and immature and incredible rude.
I have not taken my husband's name and will not.not every woman drops her own name . Also, whose to say your dd will ever even get married.
Sexist bullshit and cringey.

Dumdedumdum · 11/08/2017 19:19

Imagine this being the thing that made you happy about a healthy baby scan. Prat.

WooWooSister · 11/08/2017 19:19

Hmm, I'm on the fence. It sounds as though you're aunt isn't normally like this so I'd put it down to excitement about the baby and then not wanting to back down in public. There was no polite way for her to say 'I completely forgot about JonesBabyGirl because I'm so invested in my own grandchild!' so she maybe thought her answer was more acceptable.
I probably wouldn't be able to resist making a pointed jokey comment next time I seen her eg 'I laughed when you forgot about DD and then implied she wouldn't carry the name down when we've both done so. You should know women in our family don't tend to pander to outmoded ideas around names.'
On a completely different point, if your DD did decide to change her name if she married, would it bother you?

ollieplimsoles · 11/08/2017 19:23

Christ im looking out for the cousin's wife's post on here about her nightmare mil...

I mean '#myson'sson ? Yuk.