To think it's cheeky to apply for an Irish passport because of brexit?

[MyheartbelongstoG]

Just that really.

I'm applying for Irish citizenship, but I had already planned on doing so before the referendum was even announced. Certainly won't be using it to do my dumbass Leave-voting DH any favours though!

Your link shows nothing except that a lot of people who live in poor areas, when faced with a binary choice between “same shit” and “different shit” somewhat unsurprisingly voted for “different shit

Sorry, I've been treating you with a modicum of intelligence. Generally speaking, and I'm being polite, poor people don't tend to vote for the Tories, they tend to vote for Labour.

Granted, labour have become so far detached from their original voting pool.

It does not show that a majority of Labour voters voted leave

it does you know.

You're aware that after Brexit, a British person will still be able to work within the EU, right?

And I'm sure you're aware of the restrictions that will be placed on that, right? That some EU countries only allow 3rd country people to be offered a job if they can demonstrate that no national or EU citizen can do it?

I applaud everyone for doing what they think is best for themselves, I'm sure getting a second passport or nationality makes you feel a lot better for you and yours.

I couldn't bring myself to take another passport but that's just me.

And I'm sure you're aware of the restrictions that will be placed on that, right?

Of course. Paperwork will have to be filled in and everything.

it does you know

No, it doesn’t. Approximately two thirds of people who voted Labour in 2015 voted remain in 2016. As per the YouGov exit poll.

It also has this interesting little nugget:
'Bearing in mind that readership of tabloid press may correlate with unobserved economic and demographic characteristics, these findings are consistent with the hypothesis that anti-EU propaganda from tabloid press such as Daily Mail, Sun, and Express may indeed had a larger impact among the least educated.'

Of course. Paperwork will have to be filled in and everything.

Perhaps you could do others the same courtesy you keep insisting they show towards you, and actually read what Mimpi posted?

No, it doesn’t. Approximately two thirds of people who voted Labour in 2015 voted remain in 2016. As per the YouGov exit poll

Ha ha. The polls were utterly wrong before the vote, but you think they were correct after?

Those are exit polls, which have a margin of error of about 1-1.5%.

I couldn't bring myself to take another passport but that's just me.

It’s like those threads where people are discussing recipes for soup, and somebody shows up to post about how much they hate soup and couldn’t bring themselves to eat soup

Those are exit polls, which have a margin of error of about 1-1.5%

Look, you can believe 65% of labour voted to remain if you want, I don't care.

I know the working class voted for Brexit, I can see that in the diagram I posted, it's obvious. In your world apparently Labour doesn't make up the working class, it does in mine.

OK, so now we’ve moved on to a world where all evidence and statistics which don’t support your immutable and preconceived views are “fake news”, I take it?

I’m out.

Dh's Dad (deceased) was Irish and Dh in the process of applying for his.

OK, so now we’ve moved on to a world where all evidence and statistics which don’t support your immutable and preconceived views are “fake news”, I take it

You're "all evidence and statistics" includes one exit poll. Who puts their faith in polls these days?

See you later.

An opinion poll is not the same as an exit poll. Opinion polls are generally unreliable. Exit polls are usually very accurate.

You are the poster child for why we should not have had a referendum.

You are the poster child for why we should not have had a referendum

I'm afraid you'll have to suck that one up, buttercup.

I thought I would be able to claim Irish citzenship under this provision

"Citizenship through descent from Irish grandparents
If one of your grandparents is an Irish citizen who was born in Ireland, but neither of your parents was born in Ireland, you may become an Irish citizen."

My grandmother was born in Co Cork to Irish parents, but was never an Irish citizen because in 1898, there was no such thing. She came to England in 1916 and didn't go back after Irish independence.

Bloody disappointing.

I hope people are reading this, reading your posts, and thinking, “Yeah, David Cameron was utterly negligent for agreeing to let such an important decision be made by people like A4710Rider instead of people who actually know what they are doing.”

Because I think you’re demonstrating that point perfectly.

LakieLady I'm sure you can. It's probably just not worded well. Your grandmother was Irish and born in Ireland. I'd be very surprised if you were rejected.

I hope people are reading this, reading your posts, and thinking, “Yeah, David Cameron was utterly negligent for agreeing to let such an important decision be made by people like A4710Rider instead of people who actually know what they are doing

Democracy is such a bitch, isn't it. I suggest you move somewhere where they don't treat it in such high regard, I can recommend Brussels.

Democracy is such a bitch, isn't it. I suggest you move somewhere where they don't treat it in such high regard, I can recommend Brussels.

Stop being facetious.

I’ve already explained some of the many ways in which the UK electoral system is fundamentally undemocratic.

Not holding regular referendums is not one of them.

We are supposed to live in a representative democracy where we elect people to represent us and then they make decisions about important or complex issues, ideally after having taken the time to properly inform themselves.

The main problem with the UK system is that our method of electing those representatives is not representative enough.

Unlike, say, Ireland, we don’t have a written constitution and a system for holding referendums on constitutional issues. We don’t know how to hold referendums properly, and as we demonstrated two years ago, we’re completely shit at holding them.

When you have a system where most people feel completely ignored and unrepresented for decades and then you suddenly throw a referendum on an important constitutional issue at them, it’s a recipe for disaster.

If we had better representation in the first place then people might have been less unhappy.

Leaver logic 101:

Vote to take away people's rights to move abroad. Then tell those who object to having their rights taken away to move abroad.

You couldn't make it up.

@Rider, but you miss the point. We elect MPs to make important decisions for us. Referendums are absolutely NOT the norm, nor should they be. If Cameron had put the vote to parliament we would not be talking about this now because it would have been voted out for being a ridiculous idea. Instead we had people voting who were googling “what’s the EU” the day after the referendum 🙄

To be fair to them, it did take 20 pages before the remainers started personal attacks, normally it's around page 6.