Page 23 | To think it's cheeky to apply for an Irish passport because of brexit?

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 14:23

I have no confidence in anything you are “confident” about, because you have repeatedly shown yourself to be ill-informed

All of your information is based entirely on supposition, as is mine.

LoveInTokyo · 07/06/2018 14:24

No, mine is based on a combination of professional experience and postgraduate level of qualifications in how the EU works, and fairly recent inside knowledge of the UK government.

Strongmummy · 07/06/2018 14:24

@Rider - we didn’t join the single currency 🙄, the EU also provided the UK with far better employment rights. I really hope you’re right about Brexit being a good thing coz at the moment it’s a fucking shit show, that’s derailing this country massively.

Hoppinggreen · 07/06/2018 14:25

The reason DH is getting his German passport is that we have no idea what will emerge from this clusterfuck
If we can no longer own property in the EU ( we currently do)
If we have to pay higher taxes in other EU countries
If there is no work for him here and working on the EU is more difficult
If we want to move to the EU on retirement
If our children want to live in the EU
None of this is known and for people who keep saying “ it will all be ok” I hope you are right but if not this is our Insurance policy

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 14:26

Nice swerve there

it was an aside, not a swerve.

Ignore the real life consequences of this for real life people and just go on another ill-informed political rant instead

"Those EU citizens living in the UK will have their rights enshrined in UK law and enforced by British courts, though the European Court of Justice will have jurisdiction over EU citizens' rights for eight years after the withdrawal day.

EU citizens in the UK will have equal access to social security, health care, education and employment.

But they - and UK citizens in the EU - would lose their rights to residency if they are out of the country for five or more years"

Here's is what we're offering EU migrants to the UK"

If the EU doesn't offer the same in return, don't blame me.

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 14:28

it’s a fucking shit show, that’s derailing this country massively

It's definitely making people hysterical on internet forums but it's hardly derailing the country. If you want to look at a properly derailed country may I point you in the direction of the EU's 4th largest economy, Italy.

MimpiDreams · 07/06/2018 14:30

If the EU doesn't offer the same in return, don't blame me.

You do know that the EU is offering more don't you and that it is the UK who are refusing to do the same?

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 14:33

You do know that the EU is offering more don't you and that it is the UK who are refusing to do the same

Please enlighten us.

Strongmummy · 07/06/2018 14:34

@rider, the government is spending time and money focussing on exiting the EU. Trying to unpick agreements that were meant to be unbreakable. Trying to negotiate from a position of weakness. It could be spending its time and money sorting out the NHS, welfare etc...etc.....If that’s not derailment, what is? And please tell me how you see this ending if you’re so confident that Brexit is going to be so good for the UK? It’s June. We leave in March. There’s no deal on the table

evilharpy · 07/06/2018 14:34

I live in England and have both UK and Irish passports (am actually Irish though). My UK passport expires in 2019 and I don't know if it's worth bothering to renew it.

People who voted leave and are now applying for Irish passports give me the rage.

Branleuse · 07/06/2018 14:35

Cheers for this thread. Reminded me to get on with the foreign births registration.

I voted to remain and have never been to ireland, but im entitled to register as Irish, and apparently thats more straightforward than registering with Malta which I also have connections with, so im not sure whats cheeky about it. Dont really care either. I just think its such a tragedy that so many people wont be able to.

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 14:37

What the UK have already agreed for EU nationals:

www.gov.uk/guidance/status-of-eu-nationals-in-the-uk-what-you-need-to-know

For any interested parties. This is the report the above was based on:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/665869/Joint_report_on_progress_during_phase_1_of_negotiations_under_Article_50_TEU_on_the_United_Kingdom_s_orderly_withdrawal_from_the_European_Union.pdf

A point of note for our disabled colleague:

Read number 28 and let me know what you think.

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 14:40

If that’s not derailment, what is

Sorry that's not derailment. As an aside that TM has just promised the NHS a massive budge boost for it's 70th Birthday.

As for welfare, I don't get you? Welfare has never been as generous.

MimpiDreams · 07/06/2018 14:40

Please enlighten us

That'd be a no then.

You'll find everything you need to know here:
jfgi.herokuapp.com/

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 14:41

Could I ask a question for all of you new passport holders. How exactly will becoming Irish, for example help you? Apart from having to queue for slightly less long at the airport.

Thanks.

LoveInTokyo · 07/06/2018 14:43

God, I can’t deal with this level of stupid.

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 14:43

You'll find everything you need to know here

Maybe you don't know the basic rules of having a debate but if you make a statement then you should be able to back it up. It should not be up to the person questioning your statement to prove you're wrong.

This obviously only applies to adults, I would expect this kind of behaviour from a child though.

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 14:45

God, I can’t deal with this level of stupid

Are you going to provide anything to back up your statement:

You do know that the EU is offering more don't you and that it is the UK who are refusing to do the same

...other than going off in a huff?

LoveInTokyo · 07/06/2018 14:49

It wasn’t my statement.

But the EU have said pretty much from the beginning their their preference is for a lifetime guarantee that people who have exercised their treaty rights before the cut off point should continue to have those rights.

Which is considerably more than what Theresa May has offered.

MimpiDreams · 07/06/2018 14:50

Why are you linking to government reports based on an agreement that they have already reneged on a proof of ... well of anything really. Just why? FFS.

DrRanjsLeftEyebrow · 07/06/2018 14:50

Going back to applying for citizenship!

How can I find out details re my grandfather. I know he was born in Ireland in the 1880s, he came to Scotland when he was 15 I think, and died here in the 1950s. Neither my mum nor my aunt knows if he even had a birth cert! Where do I even start?!

elisaveta · 07/06/2018 14:51

I think it's massively cheeky of people who voted Leave, thus voting away the rights and freedoms of millions of us who desperately wanted to Remain, and who make sure that they are OK by getting themselves an EU passport somehow.

Shower of selfish bastards. It makes me absolutely seethe.

I am grateful beyond measure that both my sons were born in Ireland before 2005 and will be able to get away from post-Brexit UK, even if their parents are stuck here.

BakedBeans47 · 07/06/2018 14:52

I don’t think it’s cheeky as long as the person doing it didn’t vote leave.

MimpiDreams · 07/06/2018 14:52

Maybe you don't know the basic rules of having a debate but if you make a statement then you should be able to back it up. It should not be up to the person questioning your statement to prove you're wrong.

Excellent. I'm fine with that. So, back to start. Prove your statement that 'I'll be fine'. Come on. Where's your evidence?

endofagain · 07/06/2018 14:53

My family all voted remain.
My dd works in Europe and wants to stay.
She is entitled to an Irish passport and has paid for it.
I agree with her that an EU passport can only be a good thing in her situation.
I wouldn't blame her if she never came back to the UK.