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Original poster

To think it's cheeky to apply for an Irish passport because of brexit?

817 replies

MyheartbelongstoG · 11/08/2017 16:10

Just that really.

OP posts:
MimpiDreams · 07/06/2018 13:21

Why don't you claim your country of origin's disability allowance?

I am. I'm claiming from the UK. Do you think I will still be able to post brexit?

MimpiDreams · 07/06/2018 13:23

Sorry, you said "prior to my accident" so did you have the accident in the UK or not? it's not clear.

Irrelevant question as it makes no difference. You can currently claim up to 10 years after leaving the country you contributed in.

FatherMackenzie · 07/06/2018 13:23

I specifically said I wasn’t talking about you personally when I talked about overconfident idiots. As you know, seeing as you then said, “well I’m not but you are, so ner”, which was very witty of you I must say Hmm.

Of course I’m having a general rant about the really fucking stupid contingent of Brexiteers, (NOT NECESSARILY YOU AND NOT ALL PEOPLE WHO VOTED TO LEAVE), who, with no thought for anything except a big fuck you to “the elite” and “foreigners” and the wrong coloured passports, voted us out of the eu. I have no idea if you’re one of them, as I don’t know you. But I’ve met some irl . They do exist.

But, whatever, “you’ll be fine”? It’s “pretty easy”? No. You don’t know that. Maybe you think you’ll be alright Jack, but you have no idea about everyone else. So stop it please. And whether you are one of the sillier, overly confident, bravado fuelled Brexiteers or not, telling someone they’ll be fine based on your personal “logic” comes across as arrogant.

FatherMackenzie · 07/06/2018 13:24

That^^ was to @a4 btw.

MimpiDreams · 07/06/2018 13:26

But, whatever, “you’ll be fine”? It’s “pretty easy”? No. You don’t know that. Maybe you think you’ll be alright Jack, but you have no idea about everyone else. So stop it please. And whether you are one of the sillier, overly confident, bravado fuelled Brexiteers or not, telling someone they’ll be fine based on your personal “logic” comes across as arrogant.

And a bit daft when subsequent posts show they don't have a clue how it works now let alone after brexit.

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 13:27

I am. I'm claiming from the UK. Do you think I will still be able to post brexit?

It would suggest that you will retain your rights as those are the noises emenating from the UK and the EU and is what I've based my assumption on.

Personally I speak I don't you should get benefits from a country you don't live in but that's neither here nor there.

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 13:31

Of course I’m having a general rant

Oh right

But, whatever, “you’ll be fine”? It’s “pretty easy”? No. You don’t know that. Maybe you think you’ll be alright Jack, but you have no idea about everyone else. So stop it please

I can equally say to you that you and others should stop running around like you think there will be an apocalypse after Brexit as you just don't know either. I'm basing my assumption on what has already been said and reported on. So I won't stop it.

MimpiDreams · 07/06/2018 13:32

So you think I shouldn't get anything from the UK despite having worked and paid in for almost 40 years? Ok then Hmm

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 13:35

So you think I shouldn't get anything from the UK despite having worked and paid in for almost 40 years? Ok then

You're a non UK national who worked in the UK for 40 years?

LoveInTokyo · 07/06/2018 13:37

It's pretty easy. The Politburo is Brussels will want to make sure EU citizens get a good deal and get looked after in the UK. They only way they can assure this is to make sure UK people in the EU get the same rights.

Yeah, there’s a hole in your analysis there A4.

The EU can require the UK to agree to certain rights for citizens from the EU27 who exercised their treaty rights to live in the UK, because the UK is a country and the rights of EU citizens in the UK form part of the Brexit negotiations.

But British people living in EU countries are not “living in the EU”, they are living in France, or Belgium, or Greece. The EU cannot dictate to France or Belgium or Greece how it deals with citizens from outside the EU because that is not within its remit. Anymore than the EU can tell the UK how to treat people from India or Brazil or Kenya.

MimpiDreams · 07/06/2018 13:37

I'm basing my assumption on what has already been said and reported on. So I won't stop it.

So are you factoring in all the reporting on the increasing likelihood of there being no agreement into you assumption? Are you factoring in reports from organisations representing migrants? Or are you just factoring in the stuff that suits your 'it'll all be fine' position?

AmeliaFolch · 07/06/2018 13:38

It's not cheeky at all. I would if I was eligible. I have no closer European relatives than great grandparents though, sadly 🙁

MimpiDreams · 07/06/2018 13:38

You're a non UK national who worked in the UK for 40 years?

No I'm a British (and now Irish) national who worked in the UK for almost 40 years. Do keep up.

FatherMackenzie · 07/06/2018 13:41

@A4

Eh? Have I mentioned an apocalypse or anything close? The worst I’ve said is that I don’t like what’s happening in the uk. Oh the hysteria Hmm.

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 13:41

But British people living in EU countries are not “living in the EU”, they are living in France, or Belgium, or Greece. The EU cannot dictate to France or Belgium or Greece how it deals with citizens from outside the EU because that is not within its remit

That's a very good point, clearly presented.

The EU can require the UK to agree to certain rights for citizens from the EU27 who exercised their treaty rights to live in the UK

No, they can ask. If you think that we're going to agree to keep on over 4 million people with their rights and watch the 1 million UK people in the EU lose theirs than I think you're very much mistaken.

LoveInTokyo · 07/06/2018 13:42

You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that the UK is in an equally strong as or stronger negotiating position than the EU.

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 13:43

No I'm a British (and now Irish) national who worked in the UK for almost 40 years. Do keep up

Feck me, thanks for wasting my time.

Why on earth would a British person lose their British benefits? Your British benefits have got nothing to do with EU.

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 13:45

You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that the UK is in an equally strong as or stronger negotiating position than the EU

And you seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that the UK will agree to every demand.

There are 4 times as many EU nationals living in the UK as there are British people living in the EU. Who has most to lose here?

MimpiDreams · 07/06/2018 13:45

You also seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that the UK government gives a shit about UK citizens living in the EU.

LoveInTokyo · 07/06/2018 13:46

“Why on earth would a British person lose their British benefits? Your British benefits have got nothing to do with EU.”

Incorrect, I’m afraid.

The free movement of people rules currently mean that someone who is entitled to UK benefits shouldn’t be financially disadvantaged by living in another EU member state. Therefore if she is entitled to her UK benefits, the fact that she is living in another member state shouldn’t stop them from being paid.

Once those EU rules no longer apply to British citizens, the government could theoretically cut her off, as they can with people who have moved to a non EU country.

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 13:47

You also seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that the UK government gives a shit about UK citizens living in the EU

Can you prove they don't or is that just an assumption of yours. If I'm not allowed to make assumptions, you're not.

LoveInTokyo · 07/06/2018 13:48

There are 4 times as many EU nationals living in the UK as there are British people living in the EU. Who has most to lose here?

If they are highly skilled and well-paid then their country of origin might quite like them to come home.

If they are low skilled and poorly paid then being in the UK is rapidly becoming more trouble than it’s worth anyway.

MimpiDreams · 07/06/2018 13:49

Why on earth would a British person lose their British benefits? Your British benefits have got nothing to do with EU.

They have everything to do with the EU. The UK does not pay disability benefits to brits living in countries outside of the EU. Until recently they did not pay them to brits living in the EU. They now do because they had to change the rules to comply with EU law.

A4710Rider · 07/06/2018 13:49

The free movement of people rules currently mean that someone who is entitled to UK benefits shouldn’t be financially disadvantaged by living in another EU member state.

Indeed, but if you can explain why thousands of people in Pakistan and other non EU countries are still in receipt of benefits fro the UK I'll take your point with some credence.

MimpiDreams · 07/06/2018 13:50

Sorry for derailing the tread. I'm out now because I can't reason with stupid.