To think it's cheeky to apply for an Irish passport because of brexit?

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Just that really.

So it's just an assumption with no evidence to back it up

It's a logical assumption.

There's plenty of evidence of Remainer's logical assumption on this thread. But that seems to be OK.

Ha! Brackets fail, sorry! Glad it wasn’t a degree in English .

That said, you might be right. I don’t take issue with your prediction, just the fact that you think it’s all pretty simply stuff and you’ve totally got it

I was referring only to EU and UK Rights whilst living in each other's countries. You're conflating that I think the rest is "pretty simple". And that's naughty of you.

It's pretty easy. The Politburo is Brussels will want to make sure EU citizens get a good deal and get looked after in the UK. They only way they can assure this is to make sure UK people in the EU get the same rights.

Well, this is a guess / prediction^, prefaced by “it’s pretty easy”. I don’t think it was especially^ naughty to point out that it isn’t as easy as you say.

It’s not “pretty easy” to predict how any of this will go. Have you any idea how complicated this process is? Brexiteers often complain that remainers unfairly assume that they were too thick headed or arrogant to even look into what the EU is and does before they ticked leave on their ballot paper. But when you airily dismiss someone’s concern as “you’ll be fine” and “it’s pretty easy”, it does sound a bit arrogant.

It's not logical thinking it's fantasy thinking.

Do you think that post brexit the UK will continue to pay benefits to people living in, say Poland, on the basis that they worked in the UK previously?

What's the point of Brexshit if free movement within the EU remains for all.

My DP grandparents were from Ireland and he was been thinking of applying for one but decided against it as me and our son wouldn't be eligible for one, I really wouldn't have minded as I would've done it if I could but he thinks it would be weird for him to have a Irish passport whilst we had British ones!

It’s not “pretty easy” to predict how any of this will go

Yes, good luck finding where I said that, other than the assumption I made on UK/EU Rights whilst living in each others area.

DH is Irish and so have applied for an Irish passport for DS too. Unfortunately we have been waiting nearly 6 months because of the backlog

It's not logical thinking it's fantasy thinking

For example?

Do you think that post brexit the UK will continue to pay benefits to people living in, say Poland, on the basis that they worked in the UK previously

Umm.... I've read that 3 times, I can't make any sense out of it? Sorry. Let me be clearer for you. EU nationals (Remember when people came from countries, not the EU) living in the UK prior to Brexit will probably" keep the same rights as they have now. UK nationals, living in the EU will probably* also keep the same the same rights as they have now.

I would suspect that an EU national living in the UK and receiving child benefit for their children back in Poland will probably also keep that free money, I mean benefit.

Do you think an EU migrant who returned to their home country 2 years ago will be able to receive disability benefits from the UK post brexit and have the money sent out to them in their home country? That's what I'm asking about. Someone who has already left the UK.

Another assumption I made was that people actually read the news.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42279408

The rights of the three million EU citizens living in the UK and the million Britons living in the EU will be protected post-Brexit, according to the latest deal between the UK government and the EU

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Do you actually understand what you just quoted?

I said it is not pretty easy to predict how ANY of this will go.

I didn’t accuse you of saying anything, other than what you did. In fact, I quoted you directly.

I can’t figure out if you’re being deliberately obtuse.

I’ll try and explain myself one more time; you may be right about the rights of eu citizens in the uk and uk citizens in the eu. Maybe, to an expert, that’s a fairly easy one to predict will probably happen, but not actually easy for the average person. And even experts don’t know for sure, so it’s a legitimate worry for the poster who you assume “will be fine”. You can’t pat someone on the head and say they’ll be fine when you have no idea if that’s true. You can hazard a guess, but it’s arrogant to say you know and that it’s “pretty easy”. And it does ring alarm bells that the sort of person who defends Brexit to the hilt is also the one who is so sure of themselves with no particular reason for being so, except “it’s logic”.

I’m pretty sure I heard a doctor talking about people with no medical background who spout opinions on medical matters and how dangerous they can be, (encouraging mothers who have high risk pregnancies to have a home birth, against the wishes of their doctors, with no assistance etc). She called them ‘confident idiots who are frequently wrong, but never in doubt’. Not saying that’s you, just saying that it’s a common problem and that it can actually be dangerous when one is too sure of oneself and acts a little recklessly as a result. ‘Jumping without a parachute’ as someone said up thread.

Do you think an EU migrant who returned to their home country 2 years ago will be able to receive disability benefits from the UK post brexit and have the money sent out to them in their home country

Why would they receive UK disability benefit if they don't like in the UK. Wouldn't they just claim their country's disability allowance?

Are you whooshing me here?

Surely it’s a logical thing to do considering the uncertainty of brexit. It’s not like any old Brit can get an Irish passport, they have to actually be eligible, so I don’t see the issue. Yes they are getting an Irish passport for it’s EU benefits, but they are actually entitled to do so regardless

You clearly don't read enough news because if you did you'd know that the deal to protect migrants rights doesn't include recognition of qualifications, doesn't include cross border movement rights, doesn't include pension rights and doesn't include benefits rights. And that's just off the top of my head.

To those of you criticising Nigel Farage for applying for German passports for his children, please remember that Farage's children aren't Farage.
They are Anglo-German dual nationals (like my own children), individuals in their own rights, and Farage's STBeXW is German.
They are entitled to their nationality, and there is some urgency about securing it, since Germany doesn't normally allow dual nationality, but makes an exception for EU nationals, which will presumably cease for Brits next March.
Hopefully, one day they will piss upon his grave from a great height.

Father

That's an awfully long winded way of saying you're pissed off because I said the UK nationals living in the EU will probably retain their rights the same as EU nationals living in the UK will.

I’m pretty sure I heard a doctor talking about people with no medical background who spout opinions on medical matters and how dangerous they can be, (encouraging mothers who have high risk pregnancies to have a home birth, against the wishes of their doctors, with no assistance etc). She called them ‘confident idiots who are frequently wrong, but never in doubt’. Not saying that’s you

But you are and quite frankly, given the context it's both hilarious and hysterical.

You clearly don't read enough news because if you did you'd know that the deal to protect migrants rights doesn't include recognition of qualifications, doesn't include cross border movement rights, doesn't include pension rights and doesn't include benefits rights

So your saying that people who claim disability benefit in the UK should be able to claim it when they leave the country and go back to their original country?

However;

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42279408

The report confirms that EU and UK citizens have free movement of rights until the day the UK withdraws from the EU - 29 March 2019

Where are you getting your information from?

That's an awfully long winded way of saying you're pissed off because I said the UK nationals living in the EU will probably retain their rights the same as EU nationals living in the UK will.

Oh holy mother of god. You must be joking. You still don’t understand what I’ve been trying to say. Or else you’re doing a stellar job of being deliberately obtuse.

Tbh, I’m reluctant to give up as I can only assume you’re deliberately misunderstanding me so that I do!

Let’s just say, I’m not pissed off with you for saying that the eu nationals in the uk and the uk nationals in the eu will PROBABLY retain their rights. Because that isn’t what you said. If you’d just said “uk nationals in the eu and eu nationals in the uk will probably retain their rights” I wouldn’t have found it half as irksome.

Why would they receive UK disability benefit if they don't like in the UK. Wouldn't they just claim their country's disability allowance?

Are you whooshing me here?

So you're giving assurances that migrants will be fine but you don't even know how the current system works.

Currently under EU rules contribution based benefits and disability benefits are paid by the country where the contributions were made.

I am permanently, seriously disabled. I receive contributions based ESA and DLA from the UK because that's where I worked prior to my accident. So when you trot out that'll I'll be fine post brexit, are you in the know about what will happen to exported benefits? Do you know whether the UK government will continue to follow EU rules on this or will they apply the same rules which they currently use for non-EU countries?

So what's your point, Father?

I fail to see it. You've compared with me some people giving negligent medical advice.

Are you just having a general vent at Brexit? if you are that's fine with me but for the life of my I can't decipher what you're trying to say.

So your saying that people who claim disability benefit in the UK should be able to claim it when they leave the country and go back to their original country?

They can at the moment. Will that continue after brexit?

I am permanently, seriously disabled. I receive contributions based ESA and DLA from the UK because that's where I worked prior to my accident. So when you trot out that'll I'll be fine post brexit, are you in the know about what will happen to exported benefits? Do you know whether the UK government will continue to follow EU rules on this or will they apply the same rules which they currently use for non-EU countries

Sorry, you said "prior to my accident" so did you have the accident in the UK or not? it's not clear.

They can at the moment. Will that continue after brexit

Why don't you claim your country of origin's disability allowance?