To think it's cheeky to apply for an Irish passport because of brexit?

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Just that really.

oh right AndrewFogg I'd never even twigged that. I have two children born in the UK and they have short and long versions of their bc. I wasnt married when I had them and I never even thought about that.

I do feel that there is a bit of a stigma for the Mother , only in that you're not at the top of the pile, socially, you're quite excluded at times, but you're not automatically at the bottom of the heap either it just so depends.

There is now no stigma on the child which is progress on the days when both were stigmatised.

You have to wonder how many marriages now take place only because of the saving in inheritance tax when one of a couple dies - which can force the survivor to sell her (more often her than his) home.

If anyone is eligible for an EU passport go get it now. You fortunate people.

It is not anything to be ashamed of or worried about. You are entitled to get one.

Think of it as an insurance policy in the face of a Brexit that no one, and I include the negotiators in that, have a clue as to what it is all about.

I would get an EU passport in a heartbeat.

I just don't feel that Leavers or Farage and his German passport entitlement shyte should do so, but they can, and they will. That makes me feel ill. such hypocrisy.

But I have to get over that don't I?

Farage is not entitled to a German passport. His children are and if you are applying/renewing a German passport at the London embassy for a child under 18 they insist that both parents come to the embassy in person to sign the application, hence his visit.

This probably aggregates a lot of people who don't have the option to do so for their own children and didn't want to leave the EU in the first place. But if his children want the passport to which they are legally entitled to (i assume they do as they are teenagers and would also have to sign the application) then it would be disingenuous of him to deny them that right (or at least make it very difficult for them) by refusing to sign the paperwork.

Farage is a hypocrite either way. Thank you.

It wouldn't be disingenuos at all, it would be honest of him. He worked very hard to deny those rights to millions, the ones he is helping his children to keep hold of.
He's a hypocritical cunt.

Did Boris Johnson ever renounce his American passport? It seems he talked about it but then didn't go through with it?

Nb: how lovely to be Boris, or farage : rich leavers with escape plans.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/08/boris-johnson-renounces-us-citizenship-record-2016-uk-foreign-secretary

I think he did, finally, after a long time of threatening to do so.

Yeah but only to dodge his tax liability.

Andrewofgg Fri 11-Aug-17 18:24:47
I'll give you Farage (and you are welcome to him!) but please provide the evidence that it's mostly Brexiteers who are applying for another citizenship or that in NI it's mostly Loyalists. Evidence, not prejudice.

The increase in applications is due to the Loyalist community now applying for Irish passports. Nationalists in NI would generally already have Irish passports. (They are Irish nationalists. You do realise that the hint is in the name, don't you?)

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/apply-for-irish-passport-if-you-can-advises-dup-mp-ian-paisley-34835231.html

June 27 2016

The DUP's Ian Paisley has advised people in Northern Ireland to get Irish passports following the Brexit vote.

The North Antrim MP's advice came as a big increase in applications for Irish passports for residents in Northern Ireland and in Britain is expected.

Mr Paisley, who campaigned strongly with the DUP for a Leave result, surprised many on Twitter when he wrote: "My advice is if you are entitled to a second passport then take one.

I'm entitled to an Irish passport through grandparents on both my mother and father's side. My cousin gave me copies of the documents he used to claim citizenship prior to getting his passport. He said it cost hundreds of euros to get them. I imagine I would need to pay the same as they likely won't accept copies but it would be worth it.

For me it's not just about Brexit. I'm immensely and fiercely proud of my Irish heritage and would be honoured to have it recognised.

What's the criteria?

Am I right in thinking that if you travel under an Irish passport in post Brexit EU and you get into any difficulties, from health to law etc than you will have to turn to the Irish government to defend you.

As a British person with the option of an Irish passport I have no plans to get one as I wouldn't want to travel abroad relying on a foreign government to protect my rights.

There is already a sort of informal reciprocal arrangement where citizens of Ireland and the UK can go to each other's embassy or consulate for assistance, Fresh.

If you have a EU member state passport, your rights are protected under EU law within the EU. Once the UK leaves the EU, unless future treaties state otherwise, you will have the same rights within the EU as you would if you were from darkest Peru.

DH is Northern Irish and has an Irish passport and so do all the DCs. This was way before Brexit but I am so glad he did this. It will just feel a bit weird if we all travel together and it will just be me queuing in the non EU section.

"He's a hypocritical cunt."

He is but that is hardly his children's fault. Why should they be denied their rights because of who their father is? He is in the public eye but his children are not.

We're denied rights but not them because of daddy.

How lovely.

I think many British nationals - particularly the Brexiteers- fail to realise that they stand to loose far more in the freedom of movement stakes
than other EU nationals.

Other EU nationals will lose their automatic right to retire to, settle and work in the UK - one country. British nationals will lose their right to retire, settle and work in 27 countries. That is a very unequal picture.

UK Retirees in the EU will also probably see their pensions and their rights to have their health care costs met by the UK gradually eroded. EHIC protections will also go - to be replaced by private insurance for travellers.

The government may not be planning to do any of this - but as the economy comes under strain as the result of the changes - these will be the "efficiency savings" that are chosen first.

Yes because it's causing massive delays for people that need one. Wait a little while for the Brexit hysteria to die down please.

Fresh you would also have your British passport. If you were worried you could just bring both everywhere which I think some people do. So you could I suppose bring it to the British consulate?

But tbh I wouldn't bother as the Irish government are really fantastic when you're in a fix abroad. Super nice.

you're a leaver though, aren't you fresh? So I wouldn't expect you to want to excercise fom.

I do think it's 'cheeky' when people without the remotest interest in or knowledge of Ireland some of whom regularly display their ignorance on threads about Irish and NI issues on Mn, not to mention on the regular 'don't give your baby an Irish name because it's unreasonable to expect English people to pronounce that I quote 'jumble of letters' pride themselves on their 'savviness' in applying for an Irish passport, rather as though it's a Boots loyalty card.

Mulledwine, are you seriously comparing the German/Swiss border to the situation with NI and Ireland

If you can have an open border between Germany and Switzerland, why can't you have on between NI and the Republic, especially given the history and the sensitivity?

That's how I read it, anyway. "Everyone" says you can't have an open border between the EU and non-EU, but that's patently not true because open borders exist elsewhere and Germany/Switzerland is an example.