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Original poster

To think it's cheeky to apply for an Irish passport because of brexit?

817 replies

MyheartbelongstoG · 11/08/2017 16:10

Just that really.

OP posts:
notevernotnevernotnohow · 12/08/2017 16:38

What's the difference?

Isn't it obvious?

If people have voted to deny the benefits of EU membership to everyone else while also keeping them for themselves by getting another EU passport, they are beyond cheeky fuckers.

Anyone pushed into getting another passport because other people voted to change the rules that affect them; thats just sensible.

Davros · 12/08/2017 16:38

And I didn't need an Irish passport before so what's the difference?

notevernotnevernotnohow · 12/08/2017 16:43

And I didn't need an Irish passport before so what's the difference?

Um, you have heard of Brexit, yes?

RandomlyGenerated · 12/08/2017 16:45

For the poster looking to get a German passport - Germany only allows dual nationality with another EU country, so having a UK and a German passport ain't gonna work after Brexit.

Davros · 12/08/2017 16:58

Um, you have heard of Brexit, yes?
Yes, as have the EU nationals living in the UK who want to make sure they can stay here. So they are now trying to find ways to stay and I would have the option to use my Irish passport if necessary

OVienna · 12/08/2017 17:01

It's not me it's a colleague who is looking into it. I guess he'll find out in good time what is possible.

PinkCrystal · 12/08/2017 17:01

I am applying but am a remainer.

Feckitall · 12/08/2017 17:02

Qetz
Think I may be on a hiding to nothing...Grin
they weren't married (scandalous eh?)
No idea if he was on cert, only had short birth cert, never have had a long one.

Paddington68 · 12/08/2017 17:08

Think Brexit lies were more cheeky.

mathanxiety · 12/08/2017 17:11

Mulledwine, are you seriously comparing the German/Swiss border to the situation with NI and Ireland?

I simply can't see where the issue is, especially given the history.
What?

www.irishborderlands.com/living/roadclosures/index.html FYI

www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1527192.1379102800!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg
A British Army fortified position in South Armagh.

Did you see anything like this in Constance?

Quetzalcoatl777 · 12/08/2017 17:14

@feck
Just so you know, you will have a long birth certificate. You have just never applied for a copy. But you can order one. The short certificate was usuallly chosen to disguise unmarried births/ adoptions.

MaryWortleyMontagu · 12/08/2017 17:46

Randomly Germany allows dual nationality in all cases if you are born with both nationalities. The EU thing only applies if you are acquiring another nationality by naturalization. E.g currently a German citizen who applies for UK citizenship because they have lived here for the requisite number of years can automatically keep their German nationality as well as we are both currently EU countries. But if they apply for US citizenship then they will automatically lose their German citizenship unless they apply for special permission beforehand. But if you are born with German citizenship (and all children born to German parents who were born themselves in Germany are automatically born with German citizenship regardless of whether they/their parents have ever held a passport) and are also born with another citizenship then you can keep both regardless of whether the other country is an EU country or not.

Edsheeranalbumparty · 12/08/2017 17:53

I want to get me and my kids Irish passported up, but all in the whole process is going to cost well over 400 quid Sad At the moment it just doesn't seem worth it but I don't want to regret it in years to come or for the rules to change or something.

RandomlyGenerated · 12/08/2017 19:35

mary I see that now, was getting confused with my German friend who can't apply for UK citizenship as she doesn't want to lose her German citizenship.

MaryWortleyMontagu · 12/08/2017 20:09

Random if she applies for UK citizenship now then she won't lose her German citizenship as we are still an EU country until we leave. As far as I am aware once we have left then the non-EU issue won't retrospectively be applied because at the time the second citizenship was granted both countries were EU countries at the time that the second citizenship was granted, but the embassy should be able to advise. I actually know a few Germans who are trying to get their UK citizenship done now before brexit precisely because they won't automatically lose their German citizenship whilst we are still in the EU.

MaryWortleyMontagu · 12/08/2017 20:09

Oops sorry I meant randomly not random.

RandomlyGenerated · 12/08/2017 20:47

Thanks mary, will pass that on.

RicottaPancakes · 12/08/2017 21:25

Do you have to apply for a passport to register your status as an Irish citizen? Is there no cheaper way, like a register?

needmorespace · 12/08/2017 23:30

RicottaPancakes You don't have to have an Irish pp to be Irish! It just entitles you to apply for one. There is a register but it is a bit more complex than just registering. There is a good guide upthread as to who can register. If you don't choose to subsequently apply for a pp you don't have to. You would still be Irish.

Quetz Not true. People have short birth certificates as they are issued free at the time of the registration. Payment is required for the long certificates. Nothing at all to do with hiding not having father's details or adoptions. There is a separate register for adopted persons and a note is recorded on their birth entry which would appear on any long certificate that is issued.

notevernotnevernotnohow · 13/08/2017 09:42

You don't have to have an Irish pp to be Irish! It just entitles you to apply for one. There is a register but it is a bit more complex than just registering. There is a good guide upthread as to who can register. If you don't choose to subsequently apply for a pp you don't have to. You would still be Irish

True, but you wouldn't be able to prove to anyone you were Irish, so it wouldn't be much use for travel, freedom of movement etc.

Andrewofgg · 13/08/2017 13:41

The short certificate was introduced to allow children to hide the fact of being "illegitimate" - a word which in those days carried a serious stigma. It's a pretty useless document these days.

The words illegitimate and bastard disappeared from the law in 1987. Joshua Rozenberg said that he hoped that it did not apply to Shakespeare because God, stand up for persons who were not married to each other at the time of their conception or birth just wouldn't scan!

Andrewofgg · 13/08/2017 13:42
  • Oh bugger. Persons whose parents . . .
Lucysky2017 · 13/08/2017 14:20

People can if they want. I have one great grandparent born in Northern Ireland but only grandparents qualify you. I have about 4 great great grandparents from Irealnd and at least 6 of the generation before. Although all of those were from Ireland at a time when Ireland was part of the UK.

Also I have a Scottish great grandparent.

All the grandparents however were English born.

SwedishEdith · 13/08/2017 14:24

Not cheeky at all. Damn sensible. I didn't vote for this shit. Only regret is not doing it before having kids - but then none of us ever felt we needed to. Angry.