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To think it's cheeky to apply for an Irish passport because of brexit?

817 replies

MyheartbelongstoG · 11/08/2017 16:10

Just that really.

OP posts:
MyheartbelongstoG · 12/08/2017 00:12

Agent-this will help to clarify things for you.
Born outside Ireland

Irish citizen parents born in Ireland
If either of your parents was an Irish citizen who was born in Ireland, then you are automatically an Irish citizen, irrespective of your place of birth. If you are an Irish citizen, you can apply for an Irish passport. You do not need an Irish passport in order to be an Irish citizen but having an Irish passport is evidence that you are an Irish citizen.

Irish citizen parents born outside Ireland
If you were born outside Ireland to an Irish citizen who was born outside Ireland, then you are entitled to become an Irish citizen.

If your parent derived Irish citizenship in another manner, for example, through marriage, adoption or naturalisation, and was an Irish citizen at the time of your birth, you can become an Irish citizen.

If the parent through whom you derive Irish citizenship was deceased at the time of your birth, but would have been an Irish citizen if alive at that time, you are also an Irish citizen. Also, you derive citizenship through an Irish parent whether or not your parents were married to each other at the time of your birth.

Claiming Irish citizenship: Before you can claim Irish citizenship, you must have your birth registered in the Foreign Births Register – see below. If you are entitled to register, your Irish citizenship is effective from the date of registration – not from the date when you were born.

Citizenship through descent from Irish grandparents
If one of your grandparents is an Irish citizen who was born in Ireland, but neither of your parents was born in Ireland, you may become an Irish citizen. You will need to have your birth registered in the Foreign Births Register – see below.

Other Irish ancestors
Unless at least one parent or an Irish-born grandparent was an Irish citizen at the time of your birth, you cannot claim Irish citizenship on the basis of extended previous ancestry (that is, ancestors other than your parents or grandparents). In addition, you cannot claim Irish citizenship on the basis that a relation such as a cousin, aunt or uncle was an Irish citizen if none of your parents or grandparents was an Irish citizen at the time of your birth.

OP posts:
RandomlyGenerated · 12/08/2017 00:17

SomewhatIdiosyncratic children's Irish passports now last for 5 years (the 3 year passport for under 3s no longer exists).

RandomlyGenerated · 12/08/2017 00:25

Hezeehaahve your DH could apply for naturalisation - but that requires residence on the island of Ireland for 3 years:

www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/becoming_an_irish_citizen_through_marriage.html

notevernotnevernotnohow · 12/08/2017 00:28

Hezeehaahve your DH could apply for naturalisation - but that requires residence on the island of Ireland for 3 years

AND rather a lot of money. About 2k all told.

Ijustwantaquietlife · 12/08/2017 00:30

My great grandmother was Irish. Can I get one?

notevernotnevernotnohow · 12/08/2017 00:36

No.

RandomlyGenerated · 12/08/2017 00:39

notever it's €1125 in fees. I'm sure there will be other associated costs too.

MummytoCSJH · 12/08/2017 00:40

If I was eligible for one I certainly would. I did a lot of campaigning to remain and wish that was the way the vote had gone. Why is it rude? They never needed one before because they were fine in the EU before. Obviously.

notevernotnevernotnohow · 12/08/2017 00:44

Yes, the associated fees and costs add up to another thousand or their abouts. A friend has literally just paid it. And it took a long time.

Ijustwantaquietlife · 12/08/2017 01:35

Meh. I think the EU was crumbling even before brexit.

Aren't several countries breaking the schregen aggrement? Also some say south Italy is really struggling with the influx and it's just getting worse.

Not sure an investment of over a grand is really worth it.

mathanxiety · 12/08/2017 08:24

The documentation is relatively easy to lay your hands on.

MollyWantsACracker · 12/08/2017 09:14

Some one up thread asked about the benefits. I was thinking about the recent Charlie Gard case, and his parents going to the European Court of Human Rights.

This is a recourse that will no longer be available to UK citizens I should think come Brexit proper.
I would do my best to stay an EU citizen if I could.
(I have an Irish passport).

MaryWortleyMontagu · 12/08/2017 09:43

As far as I am aware, Theresa May has confirmed that we are staying a member of the ECHR (in the short term at least as there are plenty of Tories who don't like it). This is a non-EU institution (Russia is a member) and is completely separate from the eu. It's the ECJ (European court of justice) whose jurisdiction we are (trying to) leave.

Feckitall · 12/08/2017 09:50

My father was Irish but I only know his name....nothing else at all..wonder if I can apply?

Costacoffeeplease · 12/08/2017 09:56

You would need a copy of his birth certificate, so you'd need an idea of where he was born and when to be able to do a search. However, with an Irish parent you could go straight for a passport

Mulledwine1 · 12/08/2017 10:32

Not RTFT but can't think why you wouldn't apply for an EU passport if you qualify - if you can keep the benefits of visa-free travel/work/holidays etc. Sadly I don't qualify, although my mother does. I have requalified as an Irish lawyer however, and applied for e-residency in Estonia - the only things I can do to try to prepare for Brexit.

I assume however, that nobody who voted to Leave, is now applying for an Irish or other EU passport. Are they? If so, THAT's cheeky.

whatwouldrondo · 12/08/2017 10:48

When EU employers are telling people that they need an EU passport to keep their jobs, as has happened to a Scientist friend, then cheeky isn't the word. They are very grateful to have an Irish parent. Didn't stop a Brexit voter claiming it made them a remoaner Hmm

Having grown up with a paternal grandfather having frequent rants about "the filthy Irish" even when my maternal grandmother who had an Irish mother was in the room then no I do not agree that the British welcomed the Irish and were good to them. Growing up in a city with large immigrant communities then I would say the Irish, and Eastern Europeans (that arrived as a result of WW2 ) were on the receiving end of exactly the same intolerance as Muslims are now. Ironically their descendants are amongst those being intolerant.....

ElspethFlashman · 12/08/2017 11:29

Feckitall it would be really worth investigating. You can get birth certs online so wouldn't have to go to Ireland to get one or anything.

www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/1/bdm/Certificates/

notevernotnevernotnohow · 12/08/2017 11:39

You would need a copy of his birth certificate, so you'd need an idea of where he was born and when to be able to do a search. However, with an Irish parent you could go straight for a passport

Well no you couldn't if you only had a name! And that name would have to be on your own birth certificate as well....

TurquoiseDress · 12/08/2017 11:48

No and YABU

If they are eligible for an Irish passport, then why not?

A lot of friends/acquaintances are applying for an EU passport for countries where they are eligible e.g. one parent of that nationality.

The whole reality of Brexit is going to become clear in the next couple of years- if it was me, I would be applying for an EU passport (already have one so it's not an issue)

NikiBabe · 12/08/2017 11:50

Does being born in an EU member state without any ties to it currently ever entitle you to a passport of that state?

Quetzalcoatl777 · 12/08/2017 11:51

@feckitall

Is he on your birth certificate?Depending on your age you may also need your parents marriage cert

notevernotnevernotnohow · 12/08/2017 11:52

Does being born in an EU member state without any ties to it currently ever entitle you to a passport of that state?

depends entirely on the state, and depends where your parents were/are citizens of.

VulvalHeadMistress · 12/08/2017 11:52

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NikiBabe · 12/08/2017 12:05

Born late 70s. Both parents British. Dad stayed living in said member state until his death in 2010, we didnt. Moved back to UK as children.

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