To wonder if Nazi Germany felt like the UK does now, when they were creeping into power?

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Transformations in the justice system are happening, stacking the odds against disabled people having a fair hearing when they appeal sanctions or having disability benefits turned down.

They're getting rid of in person tribunals, and getting rid of expert panel members.

Disabled people are often successful when it goes to appeal, so the government seem to be systematically stripping the legal system of a fair trial?

Will start happening in October. What the government is doing to disabled people, and people with very little money in general, is chilling me to the bone. I honestly wonder if the feeling in the atmosphere was like this in 1930's Germany.

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/12/online-benefits-appeals-tribunals-disabled

It's the exact attitude expressed here started my OP that makes me believe that reforms couldn't come soon enough!

Referendums has given people a voice and a choice which is something a lot of people don't get across the world.

"Still don't know why the OP is linking Nazi Germany to disability benefits."

Because disabled people are dying from legislation laid out by the government. Because the DWP know that their system doesn't work, and in fact have targets to ensure it doesn't work by denying disabled people the means to eat. Because there is a lack of transparency surrounding all this.

Because certain lives are deemed to not be worth as much as others - even if that's not said out loud.

No it does not

I look at Trump. I hear what he says . The words he uses. And he doesn't give a shit about certain groups. He's prepared to use them and to other them to appeal to people. No, it's not Hitler but him and people like him scare the fuck out of me.

"It's the exact attitude expressed here started my OP that makes me believe that reforms couldn't come soon enough!"

What does this even mean? Genuinely. Curious to know.

Oneggshells....sorry, so what has that got to do with Nazi Germany? There is still no link to me? Just because you are displeased about a system in the UK, does not mean it's the same as Nazi Germany? I don't think disabled people in Nazi Germany were treated as well as they are here? Weren't we the first Country in the world to have a benefits state and a free healthcare system?

What we should be striving for is equality for all and equality of lifestyle too.

Equality of lifestyle for all? Genuinely, why? Why should a person who chooses not to work have the same lifestyle as a surgeon or a firefighter or a lawyer?

Not that I don't think disabled people (the focus of the actual post) should be properly financially supported and treated with dignity - because I do think that. But that doesn't have to equate to communism whereby everyone is given the same regardless of their effort and ability!

Where have all the centrists gone? It's radical Right or radical Left wherever I look...

"To me it honestly looks like you just conveniently compartmentalize the German political maelstrom and Nazi regime, and barricade it safely off to reassure yourself it could never happen to us."
No, i just happen to think that the situation in the UK now is absolutely NOT comparable to the period of Weimarerer Republic nor of the period when Hitler came to power. Your OP is so very hyperbolic and inaccurate, which is a shame as I believe the developments we are witnessing in the UK are very worrying but they are a completely different beast. If you are not accurate about what is going on you won't be able to challenge it effectively.

We have not lost a war, our country is not in pieces, we have relatively low unemployment, we have no power vacuum nor extremists beating the shit out of each other outside our windows. We are not stealing meat from horses that have died in an accident. But I agree that disabled people are being treated horribly due to austerity and lack of compassion generally. Let me ask you OP, why do you think that what is going on in the Uk is similar to Weimarer Republic and Germany ca. 1933-1939? Can you not see how inaccurate such a comparison is?

I think that the past few years saw a false rise in liberal views. Since Trump and Brexit the conservative movement seem to have regained confidence and we are definitely moving towards a less liberal world. Weather it's a better world is yet to be seen.

We have not lost a war, our country is not in pieces, we have relatively low unemployment, we have no power vacuum nor extremists beating the shit out of each other outside our windows

If the UK is so good, why did we vote Brexit? Jobs? Not well paid jobs? "Bloody foreigners" taking our jobs? Political correctness gone mad? There's definitely a rise in the far right and people saying things that they wouldn't say before.

Zzzzz what do you mean? Not universally accessible to who?

Because it's dehumanizing a certain demographic in society.

It's surreptitiously pointing a finger of blame towards people - be they disabled, or just poor, or foreign.

What we should be striving for is equality for all and equality of lifestyle too.

No I am definitely against that socialist view. (Libertarian) Life is what you make of it, you should be rewarded for what you personally achieve.

We have 24 hour instant access to news and communication.

We have access to the news the mainstream media wants us to see, and an astonishing number of people that will believe every snippet they are fed.

the problem is there is not an overflowing pot of money to keep paying the benefits that we have paid out over the last fifty years or so, so there has to be some changes to that.

Case in point. If that's not Tory rhetoric I don't know what is. We don't have enough money to provide a basic standard of living to the most vulnerable, but we do to build HS2 and fight wars that don't concern us.

We are the sixth richest nation in the world. We do have enough money.

People voted for brexit for many reasons, not just the list you have said....they are not all far right...

It's not about exact circumstances of Germany then being mirrored by the UK now. I said this earlier.

It's a similarity in attitudes, a gradual wearing down of what is acceptable. The othering, the blaming, the rhetoric.

Bombardier....there is also the issue that a lot of people are not totally honest in claiming disability benefits, ie claiming they can't work when they can.

People voted for brexit for many reasons, not just the list you have said....they are not all far right

Of course not. But there is an under current that the UK is not right and there are problems.

We are the sixth richest nation in the world. We do have enough money

However - if you look at the UK population, we're not that rich.GDP per capita isn't that great.

we have relatively low unemployment

We have tens of thousands of people on zero hours contracts, they're in work so they're not counted in the figures. They have no guarantee that they'll have work next week or next month, and if they need to sign on they will not receive payment for six weeks (Universal Credits).

What we really have is well manipulated stats, and people that don't bother to question them.

there is also the issue that a lot of people are not totally honest in claiming disability benefits, ie claiming they can't work when they can.

No there isn't. There is a very very small minority that do.

What we really have is well manipulated stats, and people that don't bother to question them

This. Same for the USA. Plus there's the issue of pay. Being in a job is great, but what about wages? Pay rises? Being in a well paid job?