To wonder if Nazi Germany felt like the UK does now, when they were creeping into power?

[oneggshellsforever]

Transformations in the justice system are happening, stacking the odds against disabled people having a fair hearing when they appeal sanctions or having disability benefits turned down.

They're getting rid of in person tribunals, and getting rid of expert panel members.

Disabled people are often successful when it goes to appeal, so the government seem to be systematically stripping the legal system of a fair trial?

Will start happening in October. What the government is doing to disabled people, and people with very little money in general, is chilling me to the bone. I honestly wonder if the feeling in the atmosphere was like this in 1930's Germany.

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/12/online-benefits-appeals-tribunals-disabled

It's not 'let them eat cake' at all.

I'm well aware LAs often act illegally by telling parents they can support their children but not them. I'm also well aware that if people do not know their rights they're unlikely to challenge this.

I'm saying this is illegal, people can challenge it and if a LA is threatening to take children into care, legal aid is available. That's useful knowledge.

I'm glad that some more considered posters have come to this thread to balance all the knee jerk 'That's offensive' posts.
The OP never compared what is happening now to The Holocaust, she asked if there were similarities to the Nazis creeping into power which is a perfectly valid question. This is from Obama's inauguration. The contrast between his inauguration and Trump's couldn't be more stark.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=wnvCPQqQWds

I love that video clip. Can't believe how America seems to have changed.

That's useful knowledge.
OK, and there is also more behind the story of 'let them eat cake'. But having knowledge and being empowered to act on it are two different things.

NRPF is another thing that's rarely talked about. There are a helluva lot of destitute single parents trying to bring up their children on an absolute pittance because they are not allowed to claim any benefits or housing help. Many of the children are British, not that that should matter but I know it does to some people.

The 'hostile environment' is compounding the problem.

*Of course benefits should extend to the end of a very ill person's life. It's a disgrace if they aren't. But the removal of benefits does not cause the death of someone very close to death. (

They used to, if you had a terminal diagnosis your automatically got the highest level of DLA for the rest of your life.

Now if you have not died after 12 months your DLA is stopped as are some other benefits.

My mum died before this change, she had caner in her liver, not many people live long with that, she did 2.5 years. For the first two she was ill but OK, for the last 6 months she was in hospital or the hospice. It was the last 6 months that they really needed the extra.

Having a terminal illness costs money. Parking charges for visitors, more washing because she wasn't continent, food for my dad at the hospital (20 miles from home so not worth going home between the afternoon and evening visits).

Thanks pencils I am learning so much about this state co ordinated 'hostile environment' policy. sash that is brutal.

I love that clip too. Cold day, obviously; but such love and warmth and joy!

All the people calling out the OP for being ridiculous, then within hours Neo Nazis are openly marching in Charlottesville, an anti racism protester is killed, and the president won't openly condemn the white supremacists.

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you." - Mike Godwin, today.

Er, yes. But that is in the US, not the UK.

The UK has actually been quite remarkable in the fact it has remained calm in the face of tumultuous times with multiple terror attacks, Brexit etc

I think it's a mistake to think that alt-right activity stops at national borders (an ironic mistake, given the stress on nationalism in some of these groups!). It doesn't - there's a network of groups and individuals that is global now. Bastards like Jim Dowson, Paul Watson and Milo Y are helping these groups from the UK - and there are plenty of fascist/neo-Nazi/libertarian alt-right groups here too now. Just because they're not marching around with lit torches yet doesn't mean that the wrong kind of change isn't afoot: with the internet, the British political climate is far more influenced than it has previously been by what happens States-side. Look in the comments section of any article from any local or national paper and you will read a kind of latent fascism that just awaits organisation.

Worth remembering the fascist murder of Jo Cox, on British soil, just a short while ago.

The US is indeed a scary place. They have guns and won't give them up. They march in the streets against being provided with free healthcare. They vote for an offensive, racist, sexist idiot.

But the US is not the UK. It has a totally different history and culture.

In my youth it was the National Front. Then it was the BNP. Now we have the EDL on facebook etc.

Plenty of racism to be found here, as there always has been.

Someone mentioned Milo Y

Yes it was really lovely what happened to him wasn't it :)

YES! Although, sadly, someone who is that much of a pathologically attention-seeking arsehole is bound to be back.

Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread but this powerful video, made in 1943, is doing the rounds on Twitter right now. Unbelievable that it is needed in this day and age!

www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/08/an-anti-nazi-film-has-its-viral-moment/536739/

I think tbh he's finished. He'll never get back on mainstream TV in the US.

The guy is a moron anyway, just says things for shock value.

Milo is a mate of mine. Charming in person. He went too far though.

Another linked issue to free speech, free press and free politics is the level of weaponry in the possession of Leave funder allies in white supremacist hands.

We think of ourselves as a gun free nation, but are we really?

Certainly lots of that burning acid being made freely available for purchase and Gina Miller threats, and seems to be a disproportionate number of people of colour being attacked with this acid?

Quietly, who has been weaponing up over the last few years, they certainly have in America.

May is now wanting trade deals with a white supremacist fascist who has an armed army of white supremacists primed and ready to go.

I wonder how Thomas Mair got his gun.

My grandfather escaped a Nazi concentration camp. He spent the rest of his life as a socialist trying to make our country a fairer place and fight the right-wing bullshit we have now. If he were still alive today he would be horrified by how bad things are right now and would definitely see the similarities with Nazi Germany. People need to wake up and stop pretending it's all ok.

He spent the rest of his life as a socialist trying to make our country a fairer place and fight the right-wing bullshit we have now

Kudos to him NameChanger22 And thanks to people like him we've had relative peace and freedom, so far.

One MP is calling out May

@HollyLynch5
Oh come on TM. You have a duty to do much better than this. Sitting on the fence on Trump's comments is unforgivable

one MP.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/14/donald-trump-inauguration-protest-website-search-warrant-dreamhost?utmsource=esp&utmmmedium=Email&utmcampaign=GU+Today+USA+-+Collections+2017&utmmterm=239498&subid=18390198&CMP=GTUSS_collection

The Whitehouse has taken legal action to get the address details of everyone who has visited this anti Trump website....

Birdchangedname
Digital Economies Act here will make that government policy here too?

@jameschappers
James Chapman Retweeted Tom Newton Dunn
There will be no transition because we aren't leaving. Oh and Murdoch will be drummed out #nazisout #thedemocrats

A tory is calling this administration a nazi one.^