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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Who IBU: driver or passenger? (this is quite dull, sorry)

91 replies

ecuse · 08/08/2017 16:40

Will try to do this objectively, DH and I want to know who's right! I will try to not reveal whether I am driver or passenger Grin

Only one of us drivers, the other has a driving license but doesn't enjoy driving, hasn't driven since age 25ish (about 17 years). This isn't a marital bone of contention as the driver loves driving and isn't wild on being a passenger. We live in London so don't use the car much for short journeys at home, mainly for longer trips away at weekend - seeing family, days out etc.

The driver is generally a good and safe driver. Has held a license for 20 years, only once got a speeding penalty aged 20 (3 points long since elapsed for motorway speeding). Nevertheless, they regularly drive 5% over the speed limit on motorways for short periods, sometimes 10%, and this irritates the passenger.

Who IBU?

The driver maintains that it's very difficult to hold an exact speed and that they aim for 70 on motorways but this fluctuates around 65-75 quite naturally due to variations in gradient, road surface etc and that driving is basically a series of constant minor adjustments. So that it's not U to go over 70 for a short period as long as you're keeping a watchful eye on it and bringing it back down to 70. They maintain that by the time the passenger notices they're speeding, the driver has usually already noticed and is in the process of adjusting downwards. But due to having had a couple of motorway driving lessons when 17 immediately after passing test, driver is convinced that it is Very Bad Practice to use the brakes to adjust speed on the motorway. By preference, speed and spacing between cars should be adjusted only by varying acceleration (obviously this doesn't apply if you need to brake to avoid hitting someone). They were taught it is both dangerous and causes unnecessary traffic jams when cars brake so they avoid it where possible. The result of that is it sometimes it takes a few seconds - occasionally maybe 10 or 15 seconds depending on the gradient - to slow back down to 70 without braking. Using the same logic, the driver tends not to brake for speed cameras, although they will adjust downwards without braking if they can, reasoning that if they get a ticket then they deserve one and that using 'unsafe practices' (braking for no reason) on a motorway to avoid a ticket is unacceptable. Both agree that driver doesn't persistently speed (i.e if they notice they're speeding they always take action to bring it down, don't just cruise along at 75).

Passenger maintains that the speed limit is the speed limit, end of, and that if the driver ever finds themselves above it they should slow down immediately (braking if necessary). And if the driver is so insistent on a process of constant adjustment and apparently unavoidable speed variation then they should aim for 65 rather than 70 so as to avoid going over 70, ever.

Driver thinks aiming for 65 is quite wrong, that the highway code says you should drive up to the speed limit unless road or weather conditions make that unsafe. In fact, driver failed their first driving test for persistently driving 20-25mph in a 30mph zone.

Passenger is also irritated by their partner's cavalier attitude to getting tickets (and thinks that the fact the driver hasn't got a ticket in 18 years is luck rather than judgement).

In case relevant, both parties agree driver is very careful in residential areas with speed limits, this is just a motorway issue.

So - Mumsnet jury? Should the driver slow the fuck down, aim for 65, brake for speed cameras and generally stop being an arrogant twat to justify their casual minor speeding?

Or is it bit rich for the passenger to be back seat driving given they haven't actually been behind the wheel of a car for nearly 20 years?

OP posts:
Sirzy · 08/08/2017 16:43

I couldn't get bothered by someone doing up to 77ish on the motorway.

I would get very pissed off at a non driver complaining about my driving and would be offering to come off the motorway at the next junction and leave them at a bus stop.

PuppyMonkey · 08/08/2017 16:43

I think you're the passenger Grin

CassandraCross · 08/08/2017 16:46

The driver is right.

Whosthemummynow · 08/08/2017 16:46

Passenger is obviously a twat.

At that speed you wouldn't even set off the speed Camera!!!

Trb17 · 08/08/2017 16:46

The driver is right.

The passenger is wrong. And irritating when they actively choose not to drive.

Eemamc · 08/08/2017 16:47

You definitely should not be aiming for 65mph... you should drive at the speed limit at all times unless road conditions mean you need to drive more slowly. I think the non driver should be grateful the other is willing to taxi them around and unless willing to start driving again should probably keep their opinion to themselves.

MrsHathaway · 08/08/2017 16:48

You are the driver.

Backseat driver can stfu unless actual driver is being actively unsafe. Persistently driving 80+ on the motorway or over 30 in built-up areas would count as actively unsafe; tailgating; using a mobile; etc.

That said, constant speed changes are only appropriate if the road conditions are constantly changing. That would fit on a congested motorway (where HGVs are using L2 to pass and the 60+ traffic is all funnelled into L3 for short stretches) but not on clearer roads. Does the car have cruise control and/or speed limiter? If so, they should really be used.

DH can be a twat type backseat driver on occasion. I ignore him mostly, though with the occasional tight-lipped "This is not a driving lesson" as a reminder!

SavoyCabbage · 08/08/2017 16:49

The passenger should get the bus. Or drive (perfectly) despite not enjoying it.

Allthewaves · 08/08/2017 16:49

Nothing worse than non driver commenting on speed your driving or comments about driving

JaniceBattersby · 08/08/2017 16:49

The driver is right. +/- 5 to 10 mph over or under the limit is fine and normal and you wouldn't even catch the eye of a passing police vehicle.

CaptainHammer · 08/08/2017 16:50

I'm very anti speeding but the driver is correct to not suddenly brake to get back to the speed limit.

Boysnme · 08/08/2017 16:50

Driver is right. If it bothers you that much get a car with a speed limiter on it so you can set the max speed you want to go.

KeiraKnightleyActsWithHerTeeth · 08/08/2017 16:51

I agree with driver although it isn't necessarily how I drive.

Littlebelina · 08/08/2017 16:51

I would go with the driver

Allthebestnamesareused · 08/08/2017 16:52

Driver is being reasonable.

Passenger is being unreasonable!

MrsHathaway · 08/08/2017 16:52

75 on a speedo is probably 72 actual.

hellsbellsmelons · 08/08/2017 16:52

The driver is totally correct.
You should do your very best to NEVER break on a motorway unless it's absolutely necessary.
Seeing break lights makes people slam on and that's when the elastic affect comes in to play and traffic starts to build.
I don't believe it's 'unsafe' to be doing around 75 on a motorway.
I have cruise control and usually set it at around 75-77

WineAndTiramisu · 08/08/2017 16:52

The driver is correct, and it's very unlikely that a speed camera would get them, even at 75, there's usually around 10% margin.
Or driver should use cruise control if available, and avoid marital arguments!

toolonglurking · 08/08/2017 16:52

The passenger is being ridiculous and childish.

Breaking because you are a couple of miles over the speed limit is a stupid and dangerous thing to do, it sounds like the driver just lifts off the accelerator until the car naturally loses a little speed - sensible motorway driving.

Driver sounds sensible and experienced, passenger sounds like they would be a very flighty, unpredictable and frankly dangerous driver.

haba · 08/08/2017 16:53

Driver is right. Passenger should keep their opinion to themselves!

Mrscropley · 08/08/2017 16:53

The driver should continue to drive.

And the passenger should be placed in the boot for all future journeys.
Grin

trixymalixy · 08/08/2017 16:53

The driver is right and the passenger needs to keep their mouth shut.

I'm betting you're the driver.

TeenAndTween · 08/08/2017 16:53

I'm with the driver here too.

MyLittlePickleBoo · 08/08/2017 16:54

Driver is right.

Theworldisfullofidiots · 08/08/2017 16:55

Driver. And nothing worse than a critiquing passenger.

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