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Gobsmacked at the jogger on the news..

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KurriKurri · 08/08/2017 15:16

Who pushed that woman over into the path of a bus.

What a complete and utter wanker - who the hell does that?

Thank goodness she was OK (physically at least- she'll probably be rather nervous about walking along the pavement now Sad

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AskBasil · 12/08/2017 09:31

The word Cis was invented to deny male privilege as a specific thing and to pretend that the only people in the world who are really structurally disadvantaged, are transpeople.

If you can roll all privilege up into one thing - cis - you can actually erase structural disadvantage of each group within the concept "cis".

So male privilege is no greater than female privilege. You are as privileged to have the right to wear high heels, be talked over by men and be fancied by them, as you are to be able to rape women and have it described as consensual sex, be paid more for the same job and have your experience validated as reality while women's experience is dismissed as the hysterical ravings of an unreliable womb-haver.

The professor seems to be a bit confused as he doesn't realise that the loons who invented this word, don't recognise that male white privilege is kind of the big one. Being a sensible man, he's assuming it is and therefore that's what it means.

NW10mother · 12/08/2017 10:37

When I lived in New York a few years ago, I witnessed and helped the victim of a similar incident. In this case, the man knocked over a 7-month pregnant woman and kept on running. He was heading out of Wall Street - you could assume one of the wolves - and decided that no-one was going to divert him off his track. When I saw the Putney Bridge bloke, it saddened me to see that this selfish misogynistic aggression is not commonplace in London. Anyone walking along the narrow Grand Union Canal tow path west of Ladbroke Grove will have met with same kind of innate anger from tetosterone-fueled cyclists who believe they have a god-given right to lord it over the vulnerable pedestrian. We need to demonise this behaviour pattern. I'm sure a lot of us are looking forward to the Putney Bridge bully being hung out to dry by the media.

Gobsmacked at the jogger on the news..
Gobsmacked at the jogger on the news..
Lucysky2017 · 12/08/2017 11:21

I still don't agree he should be arrested if he has absolute clear proof he was not in the UK at the time. Surely the police can check that out first before an arrest.

MeanAger · 12/08/2017 11:47

lucky you don't know what lead to the arrest. Police often offer people the chance to come to the station to put their side across without arrest. This guy might have been offered this but refused so they had no choice but to arrest him. If he is the right man he may have panicked and thought it better to refuse to engage. Or he may have preferred to wait for his own lawyer who was tied up elsewhere. You don't know why the decision to arrest him was made.

DeleteOrDecay · 12/08/2017 12:00

I still don't agree he should be arrested if he has absolute clear proof he was not in the UK at the time. Surely the police can check that out first before an arrest.

But they didn't know he would use that as his alibi. Are you suggesting the police checks the location of all their suspects at the time of a crime before arresting them?

ZooeyAndFranny · 12/08/2017 12:06

The word Cis was invented to deny male privilege as a specific thing and to pretend that the only people in the world who are really structurally disadvantaged, are transpeople.

If you can roll all privilege up into one thing - cis - you can actually erase structural disadvantage of each group within the concept "cis".

So male privilege is no greater than female privilege. You are as privileged to have the right to wear high heels, be talked over by men and be fancied by them, as you are to be able to rape women and have it described as consensual sex, be paid more for the same job and have your experience validated as reality while women's experience is dismissed as the hysterical ravings of an unreliable womb-haver.

EXACTLY! And this is how it starts. It is no longer that this jogger is selfish / narcissistic / sexist / rude / entitled or anything else. His actions are all connected to the fact that he is not tranz.

Rubyredslippers44 · 12/08/2017 12:27

I imagine that there is a whole lot more to this man being located and arrested than just 'the cctv man looks like him'. There are hundreds if not thousands of male joggers that look very much like him. His arrest can't simply be because he resembles the man in the blurry cctv footage. If that were the case, many other men would have also been arrrsted and named publicly by now.

As for him stating that he wasn't in the country during the time of the assault and his claims that he has undeniable proof to back this up - Well, IF he is the man who assaulted the woman on the bridge, he clearly has a mental illness or, in my opinion, has a personality disorder. So isn't dealing with reality in the same way a normal person would be. People with personality disorders commonly deny doing things they have been caught red-handedly doing and state confidently that they have proof of their innocence when they actually don't. It's part of the delusion and immature nature of such people.

A person who pushes people in front of buses isn't coming from a mentally stable place. If this man is guilty of this crime, I would expect a denial of this sort.

However, we don't know if Eric is guilty and I believe he shouldn't have been named publicly unless he is charged.

I also belive If he had the proof that he claims to have, he would have presented it to the police by now and would have been cleared and a statement made. We'll have to wait and see if this happens.

Rubyredslippers44 · 12/08/2017 12:30

Lucky -Eric claims to have proof he was in the country at the time of the assault. We don't know if that's factually the case. At this time, it's only his word.

Rubyredslippers44 · 12/08/2017 12:32

•he was not in the country

RolfNotRudolf · 12/08/2017 12:40

I still don't agree he should be arrested if he has absolute clear proof he was not in the UK at the time. Surely the police can check that out first before an arrest.

What are you suggesting, that every time the police want to question or arrest someone they are enquiries of the Border Afency, on the off-chance that the individual had gone abroad at the date of the offence?
That would put a huge burden on the BA, and the police.
Or perhaps that approach should only apply to seemingly respectable white-collar suspects? Hmm

MeanAger · 12/08/2017 12:46

People with personality disorders commonly deny doing things they have been caught red-handedly doing and state confidently that they have proof of their innocence when they actually don't. It's part of the delusion and immature nature of such people.

Before any arrest was made I was wondering about the personality type of the jogger and was imagining a trump like persona. Oozing with arrogance and no perception of the world in a way other than it affects himself. Then the arrest came and the assertion he had undeniable proof he was out of the country. And I thought "ha! That's exactly like something I would expect trump to say" say whatever it takes to delay or evade the consequences, very possibly believing their own lies ("believing makes it true") Reading your post is like reading a description of trump.

Mulledwine1 · 12/08/2017 13:16

I am outraged by the fact that someone who has a cast iron alibi has been named in the media. I don't care about male privilege or whether the victim in this case is female.

I do care that innocent people are named every day in the media before they have been proved guilty of an offence in a court of law.

And I think it would take minutes to check someone's movements in and out of the US (and out of the UK, as we don't check people going out). Either by contacting the Border Agency, the US authorities, or indeed the airline he claims to have traveled on. In fact, he may have a passport with entry and exit stamps in. Or a border pass with his name and flight/date on it.

If the police came to my house today and tried to arrest me for something, I'd still have my boarding pass from yesterday available to show them. Even if they thought I somehow had a boarding pass for someone else with the same name, it would surely create some doubt and they'd go off to check (the airline would have my passport number registered to the flight).

All that said, there is a type of male working in London who is incredibly entitled and it would not surprise me if someone didn't move out of the way. But to shove someone into the path of a bus is a whole new level.

Mulledwine1 · 12/08/2017 13:18

Typo above - we do check people coming into the UK - but not out (not at airports generally anyway)

MeanAger · 12/08/2017 13:27

I am outraged by the fact that someone who has a cast iron alibi

Has his alibi been confirmed?

Also, the police didn't name him. His employer did.

MeanAger · 12/08/2017 13:29

I'd still have my boarding pass from yesterday available to show them.

Yesterday? He says he travelled in May.

AskBasil · 12/08/2017 13:31

"I am outraged by the fact that someone who has a cast iron alibi has been named in the media. I don't care about male privilege or whether the victim in this case is female."

We don't know that he has a cast iron alibi. We only know that his lawyers have said he has a cast iron alibi.

People's lawyers say all sorts of things.

AskBasil · 12/08/2017 13:32

Don't police check alibis before they arrest people?

I once watched an episode of the Bill, so obviously am an expert on police procedure. Grin

Happytobefree17 · 12/08/2017 13:34

He's been cleared.

WellThisIsShit · 12/08/2017 13:40

I wonder if he really was out of the country?

Until recently I would have assumed no one would say they have evidence when they don't, as it's illlgical as surely they'd know they'd get found out very quickly? However having had experience of a legal sparring match, I was astounded to see that one side did indeed keep telling their lawyer 'facts' that they could 'prove', which turned out to be the opposite of what had happened, which the other side could actually prove. Bonkers to me. The lawyer representing them kept declaring these 'truths' with absolute certainty and aggressively painting the other party as the evil one... and kept having to back down and change tack, to more of the same 'truths', in some weird ground hog day.

Was very odd to see, but it was the arrogance of the person fuelling this cycle of weirdness that stuck in my mind.

I can only presume that the person that kept stating their 'truths' with such absolute certainty thought that they were so powerful and innately brilliant and right that just by declaring x happened, that the universe would shift into line. Again and again. When each time it didn't work, but never learning. Sadly I think it's because normally people did fall into line or back away as that person was so aggressive in getting their own way, never doubting for one moment they were entitled to do anything and behave any way they liked because they ... errr, no reason really, except they were arrogant and privileged.

WellThisIsShit · 12/08/2017 13:41

Ah, bad timing with crossed post!

I hope they get the guy...

MeanAger · 12/08/2017 13:42

BBC link

MeanAger · 12/08/2017 13:43

The search continues. I wonder what brought the police to that guy in the first place.

squoosh · 12/08/2017 13:44

Presumably several people contacted them saying it looked like him.

NoLoveofMine · 12/08/2017 13:47

Let's hope the perpetrator is found soon.

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