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We're not on a 17 day vacation, not us. We have meetings and calls! Now where did that golf ball go?...Trump cont.

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MicrowaveSpy · 07/08/2017 08:51

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badbadhusky · 13/08/2017 17:45

If someone read it out to him, Trump would probably assume "Egregious" was yet another player in the ongoing Russian investigation.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/08/2017 17:54

Ha! He probably would.

Next steps in fake news:

Olga_Lautman NYC ✨
Olga_Lautman NYC ✨ @olgaNYC1211
It is even more critical than ever to make sure a story is REAL. Someone created a fake @guardian story and embedded it into the @guardian

theguardıan.com/world/2017/aug/12/former-mi6-chief-admits-defeat-putin-russia-fragmentation-strategic-plan/
This is a fake URL that goes back to Guardian but @guardian didn't write this story [it doesn't actually
Go back to the guardian - the "i" in guardian is replaced by a line]

Thanks to @anneapplebaum for finding this.. the site was created yesterday

PerkingFaintly · 13/08/2017 17:57

Ohhh, nice catch anneapplebaum, thanks Olga and Pain for publicising it.

CaveMum · 13/08/2017 18:06

I've been pondering this for a while: why does Ivanka not call her father out over the White Supremacists? Surely to goodness the fact they spew hate agains Jewish people should be ringing alarm bells at least for her? Something along the lines of:

"Er, dad. You do know that when they shout that stuff about Jews they're talking about me, my husband and our children - your grand children?"

Either she's stupid, naive or has struck a deal with the devil.

PerkingFaintly · 13/08/2017 18:09

"Oh they just say stuff to annoy the libtards, sweetie. They love me really - did ya see my polling figures?"

I honestly doubt whether 45 is capable of distinguishing between his grandchildren and himself.

PerkingFaintly · 13/08/2017 18:20

Any rate, that's how I'd see the conversation with Ivanka going.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/08/2017 18:31

splinternews.com/voter-suppression-doesnt-come-much-clearer-than-this-1797717805/amp

This is all still ongoing. Fair and free (should we survive until 2018) is already under siege.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/08/2017 18:43

@maggieNYT
A few days ago, Trump adviser Seb Gorka faulted the media for focusing on white supremacists.

thinkprogress.org/white-house-adviser-says-people-should-stop-criticizing-white-supremacists-so-much-ddd587767d60/amp/

cozietoesie · 13/08/2017 18:55

Thanks for that, Pain.

orlantina · 13/08/2017 19:16

Just a reminder about the NRA

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/08/2017 19:29

Molly McKew‏**@MollyMcKew**

Russia's preferred means to fight opponents: stoke internal divides, apply external pressure, info ops, challenge soc/govt on many fronts

We need to have a conversation about what is happening today in Charlottesville & Russian influence, and operations, in the United States /1

Because this is a condemnation of nothing. /2

"We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Lets come together as one!"

And a few days ago, favorite presidential aide said "the left" is conducting false flag terrorist attacks in US /3

edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/08/09/trump-aide-sebastian-gorka-mosque-attack-may-be-fake-hate-crime-ath.cnn

Hatred and bigotry "on all sides" the president says, are the problem.

How do we make sense of any of this? /4

This is what the Gerasimov Doctrine, Russia's hybrid warfare doctrine, says: /5

Asymmetrical actions have come into widespread use, enabling the nullification of an enemy’s advantages in armed conflict. Among such actions are the use of special operations forces and internal opposition to create a permanently operating front through the entire territory of the enemy state, as well as informational actions, devices, and means that are constantly being perfected.

Again, Russia specifies it aims to use "internal opposition to create a permanently operating front [in] the enemy state" /6

There are countless examples of this in Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova,
the Baltics -- all former captive nations. /7

We refuse to believe this tactic could ever be applied to the US. We have nukes and democracy and an economy 14x as big as Russia. Right? /8

So, whole point of Gerasimov: it is about guerrilla mindset. Cheap, easy, confusing ways to fight more powerful opponent (us) /9

So who are the Kremlin's American compatriots -- their "internal opposition"?
We can start with "Alt-Right" /10

www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/page/ct-trump-putin-russia-perspec-0517-20170516-story.html

Richard Spencer on Russia: /11

Yet Spencer also shows a clear admiration for Russia, which he has called "the sole white power in the world." His former wife is the Russian writer and self-described "Kremlin troll leader" Nina Kouprianova. Writing and blogging under the pen name Nina Byzantina, she regularly follows Kremlin talking points. Like Spencer, she had defended Syria's butcher president — and Putin ally — Bashar Assad, describing reports of civilian deaths in Aleppo as "fake news."

David Duke (KKK) in Russia /12

Former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke, who has eagerly embraced the alt-right movement, has traveled to Russia several times to promote his book "The Ultimate Supremacism: My Awakening on the Jewish Question," according to the Anti-Defamation League.

Heimbach (another Nazi/white supremacist) on Russia leading the white world: /13

Rising self-described white nationalist Matthew Heimbach also has praised Putin's Russia as "the axis for nationalists," according to an interview by Business Insider. "I really believe that Russia is the leader of the free world right now," he told the news website. "Putin is supporting nationalists around the world and building an anti-globalist alliance, while promoting traditional values and self-determination."

As Russia invaded Crimea, changing borders of Europe by force for first time since WWII ... /14

... Groups thrilled w/ Putin "restoring traditional values" met in Crimea to praise him /15

medium.com/war-is-boring/as-russia-invades-ukraine-the-kremlins-far-right-allies-meet-in-yalta-94a30929c35

This is what famous Nazi Richard Spencer said about Ukraine: /16

www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/american-white-nationalists-to-hold-conference-with-russian?utm_term=.oi4AWw1zgl#.haaV7yx8bG

Spencer's thoughts on the Ukraine crisis hew closely to Moscow's.

"I think to a large degree the Maidan revolution was organized and funded by outside powers, I don't think that's a controversial statement," he said. "I certainly understand the position of Ukrainian separatists and nationalists. I think that to a very large degree they are supporting a geopolitical policy of Washington and I myself am more sympathetic towards Russia as a major power entering the world stage. Russia has the opportunity, to put it bluntly, to make the world a better place."

"I'm sympathetic toward Putin in many ways," he said.

David Duke attends Kremlin compatriot conferences. In Charlottesville he called on POTUS to keep to promise to "take the country back"/17

Because the KKK, "Alt-Right", and other "white nationalists" (aka Nazis) all supported candidate Trump and want him to deliver /18

The NRA was huge Trump supporter.
Here's the NRA in Moscow.

Btw the guy they met with? He wants Alaska back /19

www.thedailybeast.com/top-trump-ally-met-with-putins-deputy-in-moscow

Just after inauguration, NRA did ad, "organized anarchy," which said fighting jihad-like resistance in US is same as fighting fascism. /20

That's a straight up Kremlin script. Others around POTUS have used this argument. See: Bannon/Desouza meeting /21

twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/893512139905880064

That's right. They are arguing the REAL fascists want freedom and equality.
Ok. Sure.
You know who else fits in that category? /22

American evangelicals. Evangelicals are friendly with Russia, helped Russian govt (and many African nations) write anti-LGBT laws. /23

They also, inexplicably, campaigned for Trump.

Here's some evangelicals helping Russia gain access to the WH /24

time.com/4776717/mike-pence-russian-cleric-hilarion-alfeyev/

Why does any of that matter?

Alt-Right was involved in trying to get hacked oppo docs from the Russians /25

www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/07/26/two-notorious-alt-right-figures-may-play-key-roles-russia-investigation

The Alt-Right has been promoting disinformation about the Trump/Russia investigation /26

www.wnyc.org/story/how-alt-right-covers-russia-investigation/

The Alt-Right loves Putin and advocates that the US abandon its treaty alliances and security posture in Europe /27

uk.businessinsider.com/russia-connections-to-the-alt-right-2016-11?r=US&IR=T

The Alt-Right is working with Russia to attack the National Security Adviser /28

uk.businessinsider.com/hr-mcmaster-fire-twitter-trump-alex-jones-2017-8?r=US&IR=T

Alt-Right is unregistered agent of Russia (where critics are murdered) & fanboy of Assad (killed hundreds of thousands of own people) /29

The NRA has also lobbied against Russia sanctions. They argue that Russian election interference is nonsense. /30

Evangelicals argue Russia is the greatest guarantor of "traditional" rights, have used their political clout to promote Russian agenda /31

Ok, so, Russia has relationships with loathsome groups, and they then do things in their interests. So what? /31

Well, turns out Russia routinely hosts the hate/fringe to empower them, connect them, train them /33

www.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/world/europe/right-wing-groups-find-a-haven-for-a-day-in-russia.html?_r=1

Russia has also trained domestic extremists from other countries to conduct attacks at home /34

www.thedailybeast.com/russian-extremists-are-training-right-wing-terrorists-from-western-europe?source=TDB&via=FB_Page

it was just the 9th anniversary of Georgian-Russian war. /35

Molly McKew‏Verified account
@MollyMcKew

9 years ago today, Russia launched an invasion of Georgia to ensure it would not join NATO. Let's be clear about purpose and responsibility.
6:33 am - 7 Aug 2017

Russia didn't win Georgia in that traditional war.
It won Georgia in 2012 with political and information and economic warfare /36

The unraveling I witnessed afterward so eerily reminds me of patterns and actions I am seeing in the US... It's worth thinking about /37

Look at the links between Russia, and Russian money, and the factions who promote the Russian agenda in the United States ... /38

... And then look at who the president won't condemn.
And wonder what is being done to us under his watch. /39

Adding to be clear:
What Russia does is exploit weaknesses of opponents.
Not saying they created this problem in America. Fanning flames/40

cozietoesie · 13/08/2017 19:35

Crikey.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 13/08/2017 19:38

I'll see your 'crikey' Cozie and raise you a 'Yikes!'

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/08/2017 19:49

The Hill‏Verified account
@thehill

WATCH: Trump campaign releases ad attacking Trump's "enemies" one day after Trump called for unity hill.cm/Ytqt22h

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/08/2017 19:51

Shaun King‏Verified account @ShaunKing

They are dressing like their leader.

We're not on a 17 day vacation, not us. We have meetings and calls! Now where did that golf ball go?...Trump cont.
cozietoesie · 13/08/2017 19:52

'Career politicians' as opposed to 'Congressional Democrats'? Now I wonder who they could be referring to? Wink

CaveMum · 13/08/2017 20:06

There's a Twitter account called @YesYoureRacist which is trawling through photos from the protests and naming the individuals. An awful lot of troublemakers seem to have travelled in for the march.

CaveMum · 13/08/2017 20:07

Posted too soon, I should add that it's nice to see many of them squirming after being publicly named.

CaveMum · 13/08/2017 20:12

The account is notifying employers of those identified about their exploits. At least one has been fired from his job in California already.

Roussette · 13/08/2017 20:12

I've been away for a day and just caught up on the thread. I followed a bit of news but only just found out about the car and the tragic death as I got home. Appalling.

As someone tweeted "what a time to forget how to use Twitter POTUS" His silence was deafening and his condemnation pathetic.

There's a horrible picture here.... I'm beginning to think Trump is evil I really am. In fact I won't attach the picture, it's the wrong thing to do. It's Charlottsville and 6 nazis/white supremacists beating a young black boy with sticks.

Welcome HowDoYouFeelNow, it's lovely to know we have others out there lurking and reading and occasionally posting.

CaveMum · 13/08/2017 20:19

Roussette, here's an interview with the young man that was beaten up by the thugs.

www.theroot.com/interview-20-year-old-deandre-harris-speaks-out-about-1797796038/amp

He's lucky to be alive but has some nasty injuries (staples in his head and a broken wrist). His friends have set up a Go Fund Me page to try to cover his medical bills and in just 5 hours they've almost reached their target of $50k.

Roussette · 13/08/2017 20:29

Thanks Cave What disgusting pieces of shit those attackers are.

(p.s. Can't believe CaveBaby is 4 months old!)

cozietoesie · 13/08/2017 20:31

The way I feel about the last four months, I'd almost have expected him to be drawing his pension! Grin

CaveMum · 13/08/2017 20:33

At the rate he's growing it won't be long cozie!

orlantina · 13/08/2017 20:35

Justin Trudeau knows what to say

Justin Trudeau‏Verified account @JustinTrudeau 7m7 minutes ago
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We know Canada isn't immune to racist violence & hate. We condemn it in all its forms & send support to the victims in Charlottesville.